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Negotiating with a Supervisor

Hi all,

Basically I have written up a PhD proposal and sent this off to various supervisors, and submitted applications etc. All the supervisors that I have been in touch with have been very happy with the proposal and commented positively about it and overall I was looking positive about the whole thing.

However, one supervisor continues to email saying that she doesn't understand the rationale behind the proposal. I sent her an email trying to make it a bit clearer, and she only responded with "I still don't understand what you are getting at? Could you attempt to explain again". I have done this again, but it is nearly a cut and paste of the previous explanation I sent, because I think if I made it any simpler I would sound condescending to someone who is after all, more knowledgeable in the subject than I am.

To be honest, I am not particularly keen on the University in question, or the supervisor really. Do you think it is viable to approach another potential supervisor from the same university in a similar research area and start to tout them as a supervisor as opposed to this individual, and if I do this, should I explain the issue with the other supervisor? What I don't want is for word to get round that I am a rude person and I then get black-listed by every supervisor and University I have applied to :confused: .

Any advice greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance.
What I don't want is for word to get round that I am a rude person and I then get black-listed by every supervisor and University I have applied to.


Heh, I don't think you should worry too much about this eventuality. Whatever happens, I don't think that anything you say/do will become the knowledge of anyone outside this particular faculty.

I know what you mean about struggling to communicate with some members of faculty. Some people are just three-hole sockets and I have a two-pin plug (metaphorically speaking). I think that you should at least try to explain your project in simpler terms to this particular staff member. I don't think you should worry too much about seeming "patronising", since you've been asked to express the idea again in more basic language. And surely you'd rather be considered condescending or whatever (not that I think that will happen) than be misunderstood?

If a simpler explanation still leaves her blank, then I'd consider moving on to another member of staff. Or, if this university isn't one of your top choices, then just let it be and chalk it up to experience.
Reply 2
Bread and Circlejerks
Heh, I don't think you should worry too much about this eventuality. Whatever happens, I don't think that anything you say/do will become the knowledge of anyone outside this particular faculty.

I know what you mean about struggling to communicate with some members of faculty. Some people are just three-hole sockets and I have a two-pin plug (metaphorically speaking). I think that you should at least try to explain your project in simpler terms to this particular staff member. I don't think you should worry too much about seeming "patronising", since you've been asked to express the idea again in more basic language. And surely you'd rather be considered condescending or whatever (not that I think that will happen) than be misunderstood?

If a simpler explanation still leaves her blank, then I'd consider moving on to another member of staff. Or, if this university isn't one of your top choices, then just let it be and chalk it up to experience.


Thanks for the advice, I will give that a go then.

Secondly, any ideas on how to hurry universities up that are being a little bit slow in getting back to you regarding interviews?

I have an international option, and would have to travel there for the interview and this option is my first choice. They told me they would get back to me In Jan regarding interviews. I was very tempted to email and ask if I had an interview as I would like to book flights early to save money. But I stopped myself at the last minute.

Should I hurry things along, or be patient and wait for people to get back to me? :confused:

Kinda think writing it down answered my own question there! :p:
Reply 3
Wow you've started applying already! That's really efficient! I haven't even finished writing a proposal yet!!!
Reply 4
LawQueen
Wow you've started applying already! That's really efficient! I haven't even finished writing a proposal yet!!!

May well be different for Law etc but for sciences the first round of deadlines are now. Last year I had one deadline November 30th and a whole load December 5th.

As to the OP: If she's specifically asked you to explain it clearer then do so, and don't worry about being patronising. A lot of unis do panel interviews, so it's entirely possible she'd end up interviewing you even if someone else was your supervisor and that would be awwwwwwwwkward. You said you're not massively keen on that uni so you haven't a lot to lose really.

No, you can't hurry things along. They won't decide about interviews until they've had several applications from people they are interested in, so if they said they'd tell you in January then they'll tell you in January.
Reply 5
Bekaboo
May well be different for Law etc but for sciences the first round of deadlines are now. Last year I had one deadline November 30th and a whole load December 5th.

As to the OP: If she's specifically asked you to explain it clearer then do so, and don't worry about being patronising. A lot of unis do panel interviews, so it's entirely possible she'd end up interviewing you even if someone else was your supervisor and that would be awwwwwwwwkward. You said you're not massively keen on that uni so you haven't a lot to lose really.

No, you can't hurry things along. They won't decide about interviews until they've had several applications from people they are interested in, so if they said they'd tell you in January then they'll tell you in January.


Yeah, for Psychology the applications are now open and had been thinking about it for a while as I had a long think about what area to specialise in etc. so just being pro-active really! :yes:

Ok, won't email them again and I'll just wait. It's just because I am one of those people that hates it when everything is up in the air. Like at the moment if I don't get a PhD anywhere then I truly am f***** :eek3: .

Thanks for the advice though! Think it is probably for the best!
Reply 6
bigforehead
Hi all,

Basically I have written up a PhD proposal and sent this off to various supervisors, and submitted applications etc. All the supervisors that I have been in touch with have been very happy with the proposal and commented positively about it and overall I was looking positive about the whole thing.

However, one supervisor continues to email saying that she doesn't understand the rationale behind the proposal. I sent her an email trying to make it a bit clearer, and she only responded with "I still don't understand what you are getting at? Could you attempt to explain again". I have done this again, but it is nearly a cut and paste of the previous explanation I sent, because I think if I made it any simpler I would sound condescending to someone who is after all, more knowledgeable in the subject than I am.

To be honest, I am not particularly keen on the University in question, or the supervisor really. Do you think it is viable to approach another potential supervisor from the same university in a similar research area and start to tout them as a supervisor as opposed to this individual, and if I do this, should I explain the issue with the other supervisor? What I don't want is for word to get round that I am a rude person and I then get black-listed by every supervisor and University I have applied to :confused: .

Any advice greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance.


Just to give a differing opinion - have you thought about whether the potential supervisor who you've contacted and has answered with these questions is actually subtly telling you that you're not expressing your ideas and proposal as best you could? Something which could actually damage your chances of getting an offer and possible funding.

I assume the person you contacted knows the field of research so perhaps they're asking because your proposed research may well have already been covered by others etc. The fact that they don't get your 'rationale' for the proposal suggests all of that to me, especially if you're having to explain it more.

Don't take this personally but if I had an email like that, I'd take it very much that I wasn't expressing my ideas properly and if a supervisor isn't getting the idea through a quick email in probably a more basic form than a proposal ever will be - it would spark alarm bells, not of their ability as a supervisor but my own writing ability and ideas. Your proposal needs to be bang on as it will be read by people who's speciality will not be your research area. So if a specialist isn't getting it, how do you expect the admissions tutors to do so?

That's just me though :smile:
Reply 7
apotoftea
Just to give a differing opinion - have you thought about whether the potential supervisor who you've contacted and has answered with these questions is actually subtly telling you that you're not expressing your ideas and proposal as best you could? Something which could actually damage your chances of getting an offer and possible funding.

I assume the person you contacted knows the field of research so perhaps they're asking because your proposed research may well have already been covered by others etc. The fact that they don't get your 'rationale' for the proposal suggests all of that to me, especially if you're having to explain it more.

Don't take this personally but if I had an email like that, I'd take it very much that I wasn't expressing my ideas properly and if a supervisor isn't getting the idea through a quick email in probably a more basic form than a proposal ever will be - it would spark alarm bells, not of their ability as a supervisor but my own writing ability and ideas. Your proposal needs to be bang on as it will be read by people who's speciality will not be your research area. So if a specialist isn't getting it, how do you expect the admissions tutors to do so?

That's just me though :smile:


Hi,

Ok am going to try and say this without sounding arrogant lol :p:

I did think that could be it, but then I have got so much positive feedback on the proposal from other universities I have applied to that it seems unlikely that this is the case.

All the other supervisors (experts in the field too) have replied with comments like "impressive and well thought out proposal" and have given a few other positive comments about the specific content. So on reflection I kind of went with the majority which I am hoping is the case.

Also, it got proof-read by two staff members from my own department before I sent it and they thought it was good and understood it.

Who knows eh? :biggrin:
Reply 8
Well, if you're so certain that it can't be the proposal, then maybe she's just not the best person to supervise your project?:dontknow:
Reply 9
hobnob
Well, if you're so certain that it can't be the proposal, then maybe she's just not the best person to supervise your project?:dontknow:


My sentiments exactly. However, his problem is that he doesn't know if he should "go behind her back" and ask another prof from the same uni.

To the OP: if you have some time to spare, I'd try to explain it for her again, focusing just on the reasons why you think your research would make sense, but maybe add in the end that if she thinks she wouldn't be interested in supervising you, could she recommend someone else at the department. That way she can't be mad if you go for someone else and she's later in the deciding committee. But as hobnob said, I'm not sure I'd want this kind of supervisor if I were accepted, so writing to someone else is definitely a good idea. It just matters how you go about it. Or, if you don't care about this uni and everything is too much stress, you could as well just drop it?

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