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how much difference does getting a 1st actually make?

does anyone know?



apart from maybe trying to get tenure at oxbridge as an academic- how much of an advantage does a 1st on its own (without other required capabilities and skills) give you? (specifically as opposed to the difference between unis/ between a 2:1 and a 2:2

I've been looking into careers I would like to get into (mainly conference interpreting, diplomatic service, EU)
Reply 1
I'm not sure it makes any unless you're applying to very competitive postgrad courses. I've not come across any graduate schemes or jobs that require a first and exclude 2:1s. Sure you could say they may look at someone with a first more favourably, but I find it's the skills you've gained during your degree/life that they care more about than your grades when assessing your suitability.

Now the difference between a 2:1 and 2:2, that's massive and will rule you our of a lot of jobs and graduate schemes. But it's not the end of the world for you if you get one.

Funny enough, the thing hindering me is nothing to do with uni, it's the fact I went to uni with the equivalent of two A levels rather than 3 (mature student). You're ruled out of a lot of graduate schemes/jobs if you don't have over 300 UCAS points regardless of whether you get a first or even 100% mark on your degree. It's silly but they need a way to throw many applications in the bin before looking at them and that's the easiest way.
I've heard that some employers actually prefer a 2:1 because it means you've had a life as opposed to locked yourself away and studied throughout your entire uni experience. That's not me saying that for anyone who disagrees, it's my teacher, who has a 2:1 so she's slightly biased anyway :tongue:
Reply 3
Discudvayne
I've heard that some employers actually prefer a 2:1 because it means you've had a life as opposed to locked yourself away and studied throughout your entire uni experience. That's not me saying that for anyone who disagrees, it's my teacher, who has a 2:1 so she's slightly biased anyway :tongue:


It sounds like she had aims for a first herself, and is now trying to justify her own failure :p:
Not much, it's always a good thing, can't believe someone thinks it could be a bad thing :rofl:

It's only important in academics really
I wouldn't say that any employer actually needs a First - even academia generally just wants a 2:1 or a 2:2 with a good Master's to go on and do a PhD. However, IMHO having a 1st really couldn't hurt your career prospects in any way, unless you come up against some employer with a 3rd who's jealous.

I'm going for a 1st. As far as I see it, no point being at uni unless I come out of it with the degree that I want.
chap54
It sounds like she had aims for a first herself, and is now trying to justify her own failure :p:

That thought crossed my mind too :yep:
Reply 7
It's personally made no difference to me, not getting a first. I pissed around half of my time as an undergrad, did just enough work to get a 2.1, and am now doing a PhD in one of the best universities in the world. If I had spent a bit more time on essays, and done more revision, I could have got a first, but partly because I am lazy, and partly because I was distracted by socialising, I didn't fulfill my potential. If had got a first, then I would probably be doing exactly what I am doing now. I know if I had got a 2.2 I would have been screwed though. I do slightly regret not doing enough work, but there is still plenty of time in the future to prove myself. Getting a first is one way of proving yourself, but in a long academic career, (which I hope to have), there will be more important ways of doing so.
If your undergraduate degree is the only degree you ever do, then I imagine the disappointment of not getting a first will stay with you for longer, and will be more of a blemish on your CV. If you get a PhD, then people, including yourself, aren't going to care as much.
I dont think it really matters. It only really matters if you are going into a directly relatd job. Hence im sure if you want to be an engineer or a lawyer then getting a first would help alot. However, most grad schemes do not directly relate to your degree. Why would a management cosultancy care if you are stellar good at Geography with a 78% average if you dont have the skills they look for, whereas a 65% history student might. They judge you on their own criteria.

Getting a first will suggest you are smart, but so does getting AAA and studying at LSE/Oxbridge/other top 10 uni's and studying a decent subject.

Also dont forget that in some subject hardly anyone gets a first. In my degree only about 10% got a first, whereas in Maths it is around 40%.

TBH, i think a good 2:1 (67+) but with plenty of extra-curriculars at university suggests that you are well rounded and aptly capable. Getting first is half luck in the end afterall.
Reply 9
Discudvayne
I've heard that some employers actually prefer a 2:1 because it means you've had a life as opposed to locked yourself away and studied throughout your entire uni experience. That's not me saying that for anyone who disagrees, it's my teacher, who has a 2:1 so she's slightly biased anyway :tongue:


I'm sure that if I get a 1st then all the societies and outdoor experience will show that I have a social life :p:

Sounds like a bitter teacher to me lol
Xenopus
It's personally made no difference to me, not getting a first. I pissed around half of my time as an undergrad, did just enough work to get a 2.1, and am now doing a PhD in one of the best universities in the world. If I had spent a bit more time on essays, and done more revision, I could have got a first, but partly because I am lazy, and partly because I was distracted by socialising, I didn't fulfill my potential. If had got a first, then I would probably be doing exactly what I am doing now. I know if I had got a 2.2 I would have been screwed though. I do slightly regret not doing enough work, but there is still plenty of time in the future to prove myself. Getting a first is one way of proving yourself, but in a long academic career, (which I hope to have), there will be more important ways of doing so.
If your undergraduate degree is the only degree you ever do, then I imagine the disappointment of not getting a first will stay with you for longer, and will be more of a blemish on your CV. If you get a PhD, then people, including yourself, aren't going to care as much.


No offence pal, but I wouldn't call St Andrews 'one of the best universities in the world'.
Discudvayne
I've heard that some employers actually prefer a 2:1 because it means you've had a life as opposed to locked yourself away and studied throughout your entire uni experience. That's not me saying that for anyone who disagrees, it's my teacher, who has a 2:1 so she's slightly biased anyway :tongue:


Yes, it does tend to be the 2.1 grads who come out with this.
AmaadM
Lets ignore the 3rd year degree classification but your first year degree classification makes a huge difference between getting into summer internships in Investement Banking, Management Consultancy, Corporate Law and Diplomacy.

Work as hard as possible straight from the first year, even if in your first year degree i.e. like Oxford, does not count towards your fiaal degree classification.

A 3rd is a gentleman's degree. A 2nd means that you tried for a first and failed.
Reply 13
timato ketchap
No offence pal, but I wouldn't call St Andrews 'one of the best universities in the world'.

Nor would I, I'm at Cambridge.
I would argue it does make a difference, as long as you haven't sacrificed extra curriculars or work experience in order to get that first...
Xenopus
Nor would I, I'm at Cambridge.


pwnt.
Reply 16
Wouldnt call St. Andrews,Cambridge or Oxford as one of the best uni's in the world.

Im at a random 6th form. :-)
Reply 17
I think we can see where this is going....
Reply 18
I don't think it really does make a difference but you get a warm feeling inside?
If I was employing, I'd probably pick the one with the first (after interviews) and everything else being equal.
Sephiroth
I'm not sure it makes any unless you're applying to very competitive postgrad courses. I've not come across any graduate schemes or jobs that require a first and exclude 2:1s. Sure you could say they may look at someone with a first more favourably, but I find it's the skills you've gained during your degree/life that they care more about than your grades when assessing your suitability.

Now the difference between a 2:1 and 2:2, that's massive and will rule you our of a lot of jobs and graduate schemes. But it's not the end of the world for you if you get one.

Funny enough, the thing hindering me is nothing to do with uni, it's the fact I went to uni with the equivalent of two A levels rather than 3 (mature student). You're ruled out of a lot of graduate schemes/jobs if you don't have over 300 UCAS points regardless of whether you get a first or even 100% mark on your degree. It's silly but they need a way to throw many applications in the ein before looking at them and that's the easiest way.


Really:confused: :lolwut: I got BBC(280 points) from 3 A levels but 310 points if you include my AS biology grade. I would have thought they would care more about the degree than your A levels.

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