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Are they handing out medical licenses like candy now?

Subcutaneous

Oh i know, I always tell people to pop to tesco after, something like 8p for a box of 12! lol

But there may be reasons why he wasn't offered it other than that, that the OP wasn't aware of and came to conclusions it was simply because the staff didn't care

as the OP is such an expert perhaps they could explain the following - with no apologies for sounding like an undergraduate Essay Topic / unseen paper

1. the reasons for and against the use of various classes of analgesia for someone with an uncomplicated chest wall injury, considering the cautions, contraindications and side effect profiles of the three basic classes of analgesia likely to be used.

2. the simple economic truth for the patient of buying 16 tablets for 15 p OTC , buying them 100 at a time from a pharmacy for around a penny a tablet or being billed 14.40GBP for 32 paracetamol and 24 ibuprofen
...

3. the clinical indication for NHS funded transport for a young fit and well casualty with a uncomplicated chest wall injury

and for bonus marks

4. the clinical reasoning for NOT strapping simple rib fractures

Reply 21

Lamptastic

14

I have my own ****** injury and got crap care at first... but you had a junior doctor...not a specialist.

I burnt my hand while operating a faulty coffee machine..the pain was so unbearable i was stuck under a tap for 45 mins (toooo loooong) and when i eventually made it to hospital my hand was so cold. my fingers swelled up (luckily i ripped my ring off -or itd be in the bin now) and went white.

Doctors suspected 3rd degree burns as I had a loss of sensation and my hand was placed in a sling with only cling film covering my fist. I got the bus to a hospital in chelsea and it hurt like a bitch.

The NHS are not responsible for your transport unless you are unable to travel. The doctors deemed your friend fit to travel on a bus (hopefully empty) his insides were hardly going to fall out.

I was seen by a young doctor who told me I had a 2nd degree burn and frostbite.. so my hand was warmed for 30 mins until sensation returned and was sent home with a couple of plasters to put over any small blisters (between my fingers)

Next morning my fingers and the blisters had swelled and when taking off the plaster the blisters burst and took tons of skin off with it. I rushed myself back and saw a couple of very competent nurses who stripped all the dead skin off, cleaned it and dressed it with me screaming in pain.

Yes the doctor was wrong but burns are hard to diagnose...lucky for me I had common sense to be seen again ...you can't just rely on doctors as we are only human.

Your fracture seemed awful and good for you for getting it checked...you should have demanded a consult.

Its unfair to blame teh NHS as it is an amazing system...some doctors are better than others yes, but only because some people are better at things than others.

Oh yea and Ive broken my finger/dad & sis have broken their toes...with no splint as it was not needed. you just need to be careful.

Reply 22

Bslforever

15

gingergooner

With the amount of crap doctors have to do even just to get into medical school in the first place I don't think you can really argue this.
Edit: sorry I misread. Then I direct this at OP :p:

Happens to the best of us :smile:

And for the record, i agree. If it was easy to get into med school then maybe, but its totally not. I heard somewhere that 60% of med applicants get 4 straight rejections :O

Reply 23

TwilightKnight

11

AsystoleUK

How big are your boobs? Maybe he was horny.

Did he also invite in his fellow male Doctors for a second diagnosis?

In seriousness though, Doctors have it hard these days, and the Junior ones are exposed less and less to the healthcare system before they start practicing. I'll admit, I've been on the bad end of one I'd consider a bit 'thick', but you just tell them that you think they're mistaken, they'll ask for a consult, and then problem solved. At the end of the day, it's your body. They can't tell you what hurts and what doesn't, and they don't have the right to just dismiss you without your intervention, so, without antagonizing the lion here, it was at least partly your fault.

Reply 24

Sarky

18

If I swap my 80% of my medical license can I please have 80% of all the candy in the world?

Apart from cola bottles, I don't like those.

On a serious note, I think your concerns have been adequately answered by other people in the thread.

Reply 25

AsystoleUK

OP

zippyRN

as the OP is such an expert perhaps they could explain the following - with no apologies for sounding like an undergraduate Essay Topic / unseen paper

1. the reasons for and against the use of various classes of analgesia for someone with an uncomplicated chest wall injury, considering the cautions, contraindications and side effect profiles of the three basic classes of analgesia likely to be used.

2. the simple economic truth for the patient of buying 16 tablets for 15 p OTC , buying them 100 at a time from a pharmacy for around a penny a tablet or being billed 14.40GBP for 32 paracetamol and 24 ibuprofen
...

3. the clinical indication for NHS funded transport for a young fit and well casualty with a uncomplicated chest wall injury

and for bonus marks

4. the clinical reasoning for NOT strapping simple rib fractures

Are you quite done ramming your NHS experience down my throat? I spent a year training as a Paramedic, a year as a nursing auxillary and have been treated in hospital enough times to see the complete lack of empathy and care some healthcare "professionals" hold. I'm not tarring you all with the same brush; my surgeons were excellent when I had my car accident, and they sorted out the break in my foot. I'm very appreciative of that, and perhaps the thread title is a little harsh. But you if you believe the NHS is perfect and your guidelines are enough to satisfy yourself despite patients being in pain then you're delusional or just plain stupid.

Reply 26

Kaykiie

15

Subcutaneous

just because they have a degree, they're not allowed to make the odd mistake here and there, wrong diagnosis maybe..they're human, and doctors do mess up but thats why you can have second opinions. For getting something wrong like acne vs eczema is hardly the crime of the century and not going to kill you

The gel was burning my freaking skin for gods sake! Eczema is completely different to acne.

How about this then, a friend of mine was going with frequent headaches to the doctors. They just told her to go home, they were just headaches. She was in pain everyday but kept getting told it was nothing to worry about.
This went on for a while. Then she went to the hospital and turns out she had a brain tumour.

Is this an acceptable mistake?

No.

Reply 27

crazylemon

20

Sarky

If I swap my 80% of my medical license can I please have 80% of all the candy in the world?

Apart from cola bottles, I don't like those.

On a serious note, I think your concerns have been adequately answered by other people in the thread.

I am curious to know what 20% of a license lets you do :eyeball:

All the candy in the world or being a doctor....This is a tough choice to make.

Reply 28

Kaykiie

15

AsystoleUK

How big are your boobs? Maybe he was horny.

It was when I was like 15 so they weren't very big then :p:

Reply 29

Bslforever

15

AsystoleUK

Are you quite done ramming your NHS experience down my throat? I spent a year training as a Paramedic, a year as a nursing auxillary and have been treated in hospital enough times to see the complete lack of empathy and care some healthcare "professionals" hold. I'm not tarring you all with the same brush; my surgeons were excellent when I had my car accident, and they sorted out the break in my foot. I'm very appreciative of that, and perhaps the thread title is a little harsh. But you if you believe the NHS is perfect and your guidelines are enough to satisfy yourself despite patients being in pain then you're delusional or just plain stupid.

Forgive me if i sound patronising, but i think you might be disillusioned. If you want healthcare where everyone falls over themselves to give you the best healthcare imaginable and you get ferried to and from the hospital and the entire healthcare system looks as if it was designed solely to ease your individual pain and suffering, then you are going to need to go private.

The NHS just wont stretch to meet the expectations you seem to have.

You asked what the point of free healthcare was. It is so that we all get treated. Your friend with the broken ribs got treated didnt he? Thats it. No-one said that the healthcare would be phenomenal.

Reply 30

Kreuzuerk

3

AsystoleUK

But you if you believe the NHS is perfect and your guidelines are enough to satisfy yourself despite patients being in pain then you're delusional or just plain stupid.

So you think that the doctors who did not give you painkillers are either 'delusional' or 'plain stupid'?

Reply 31

TommyWannabe

14

AsystoleUK

How cute, the majority of people defending the NHS are NHS students or graduates. I only hope that you don't lose that passion for your job and do it half-assed.

Personally i'm glad I switched degrees before starting Nursing this September. I'd rather not work for a company that's more concerned with budget and guidelines than actual adequate patient care.

Awww. Well aren't you a pissy little reject?

You identify that most of the people replying are NHS students/graduates (a.k.a authoritative figures in healthcare) yet their arguments are invalid, yet you've spent A WHOLE YEAR TRAINING AS A PARAMEDIC AND ARE A NURSING AUXILLARY?

A WHOLE YEAR?

Nobody in healthcare pretends the NHS is perfect, but EVERYONE can spot a whiny little runt like you from a mile off when they wander into A+E looking for a lawsuit.

Can you give us some more wisdom from your year in training?

Reply 32

Subcutaneous

19

Kaykiie

The gel was burning my freaking skin for gods sake! Eczema is completely different to acne.

How about this then, a friend of mine was going with frequent headaches to the doctors. They just told her to go home, they were just headaches. She was in pain everyday but kept getting told it was nothing to worry about.
This went on for a while. Then she went to the hospital and turns out she had a brain tumour.

Is this an acceptable mistake?

No.

You know what that mistake is quite common with the headache/brain tumour thing, i've heard it a lot when people complain, if it was really the doctors fault for not properly investigating it then did she make a complaint?

Serious mistakes, where life and death hands are a huge issue- but because a medication had a side effect, it's not

Reply 33

AsystoleUK

OP

Kaykiie

It was when I was like 15 so they weren't very big then :p:

Then?

Wait, i'm derailing my own thread here.

Reply 34

Eccentric

1

So this is why they made the Biology papers harder/ near impossible this year :P

Reply 35

Subcutaneous

19

TommyWannabe

Awww. Well aren't you a pissy little reject?

You identify that most of the people replying are NHS students/graduates (a.k.a authoritative figures in healthcare) yet their arguments are invalid, yet you've spent A WHOLE YEAR TRAINING AS A PARAMEDIC AND ARE A NURSING AUXILLARY?

A WHOLE YEAR?

Nobody in healthcare pretends the NHS is perfect, but EVERYONE can spot a whiny little runt like you from a mile off when they wander into A+E looking for a lawsuit.

Can you give us some more wisdom from your year in training?

as ungrounded as the OP's comments are, you're really out of line for saying that, it's rude, insulting and bringing yourself to a very immature level

Reply 36

AsystoleUK

OP

TommyWannabe

Awww. Well aren't you a pissy little reject?

You identify that most of the people replying are NHS students/graduates (a.k.a authoritative figures in healthcare) yet their arguments are invalid, yet you've spent A WHOLE YEAR TRAINING AS A PARAMEDIC AND ARE A NURSING AUXILLARY?

A WHOLE YEAR?

Nobody in healthcare pretends the NHS is perfect, but EVERYONE can spot a whiny little runt like you from a mile off when they wander into A+E looking for a lawsuit.

Can you give us some more wisdom from your year in training?

Calm down kiddo. For the record, not that it makes any difference, I know I have little experience, it was a year of each. But I wasn't referring to any medical knowledge that gave me. I was referring to the amount of neglect and stupidity I saw.

Also, who mentioned a lawsuit?

Reply 37

Kaykiie

15

Subcutaneous

You know what that mistake is quite common with the headache/brain tumour thing, i've heard it a lot when people complain, if it was really the doctors fault for not properly investigating it then did she make a complaint?

Serious mistakes, where life and death hands are a huge issue- but because a medication had a side effect, it's not

She did complain, A LOT.

You can't tell me that my situation was unimportant. The skin on my face was red raw, because of the doctor misdiagnosing the condition.

I would have liked for my Doctor to have said that to me if I'd have complained to him.

(I was about 13 at the time).

Reply 38

Jelephant

12

There's been quite a few both good and bad experiences on the NHS in my family. Last year, my mum broke her ankle and was told she had to put weight on it after like two weeks for it to heal properly, which she thought was rediculous because she was in so much pain. She went to get a second opinion and was told that in no circumstances should she put weight on an injury like hers or her foot may end up being amputated :erm: