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    we hear enough on our media about how we should treasure our lovely multicultural and multi racial country. but in the words of john tyndall all multi racialism brought us was voodoo and aids,in the words of phil edwards all it brought it was currie houses and few extra footballers. what are the disadvantages of a multicultural/multi ethnic society?and how do the so called advantages of multiculturalism really make up for the trouble it causes
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    (Original post by twokeyalexe)
    we hear enough on our media about how we should treasure our lovely multicultural and multi racial country. but in the words of john tyndall all multi racialism brought us was voodoo and aids,in the words of phil edwards all it brought it was currie houses and few extra footballers. what are the disadvantages of a multicultural/multi ethnic society?and how do the so called advantages of multiculturalism really make up for the trouble it causes
    I live in Singapore which is a multiracial, multireligious and multicultural country surrounded by the Muslim countries Malaysia and Indonesia. We also have a significant number of Muslims in Singapore although the Chinese make up the majority of the population. We have been able to maintain racial harmony for decades. This shows that it can be done, regardless of what preconceived notions you may have about Muslims. Unfortunately, all of a sudden, terrorism is a major problem these days because there are Western interests in our country. As such, multiculturalism cannot be the root of terrorism. In fact, it is in my view that multiculturalism can serve to promote greater international and cultural understanding by changing mindsets instead of encouraging xenophobia and enforcement of discriminatory practices against whole groups of people. It can be done in my opinion and Singapore may serve as a living example. Just because relations between different racial, religious and cultural groups of people in one country are strained or anything that goes wrong supposedly as a result of multiculturalism doesn't mean that multiculturalism is universally or in other specific instances a source of "trouble".
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    discriminatory practices against whole groups of people?


    would this include positive discrimination -which is anti white under the guise of pro minority labour legislation
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    (Original post by twokeyalexe)
    we hear enough on our media about how we should treasure our lovely multicultural and multi racial country. but in the words of john tyndall all multi racialism brought us was voodoo and aids,in the words of phil edwards all it brought it was currie houses and few extra footballers. what are the disadvantages of a multicultural/multi ethnic society?and how do the so called advantages of multiculturalism really make up for the trouble it causes
    John Tyndall ??? Is he the one who was coward enough not to face law & ended-up losing his life before proving himself brave enough to face the music ??? I think that's the one you're talking about, aren't you ??? :rolleyes:

    From the searches I've done in different search engines, I came across this rather interesting FACTS:

    Advantages of MULTI RACIAL country (this one focuses merely on INDIANS & the contribution of INDIA, however & got it off an American website):

    Who is the co-founder of Sun Microsystems?
    Vinod Khosla

    Who is the creator of Pentium chip (needs no introduction as 90% of the today's computers run on it)?
    Vinod Dahm

    Who is the founder and creator of Hotmail (Hotmail is world's No.1 web based email program)?
    Sabeer Bhatia

    Who is the president of AT & T-Bell Labs (AT & T-Bell Labs is the creator of program languages such as C, C++, Unix to name a few)?
    Arun Netravalli

    Who is the GM of Hewlett Packard?
    Rajiv Gupta

    Indians are the wealthiest among all ethnic groups in America, even faring better than the whites and the natives. There are 3.22 millions of Indians in USA (1.5% of population). YET,

    38% of doctors in USA are Indians.
    12% scientists in USA are Indians.
    36% of NASA scientists are Indians.
    34% of Microsoft employees are Indians.
    28% of IBM employees are Indians.
    17% of INTEL scientists are Indians.
    13% of XEROX employees are Indians.

    You may know some of the following facts. These facts were recently published in a German magazine, which deals with WORLD HISTORY FACTS ABOUT INDIA.

    01. India never invaded any country in her last 1000 years of history.

    02. India invented the Number system. Aryabhatta invented 'zero.'

    04. According to the Forbes magazine,
    Sanskrit is the most suitable language for computer software.

    08. The value of pi was first calculated by Budhayana, and he explained the concept of what is now known as the Pythagorean Theorem. British scholars have last year (1999) officially published that Budhayan's works dates to the 6th Century, which is long before the European mathematicians.

    13. Chess was invented in India.

    16. The place value system, the decimal system was developed in India in 100 BC.

    Quotes about India.

    We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made.
    Albert Einstein.

    India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend and the great grand mother of tradition.
    Mark Twain.

    If there is one place on the face of earth where all dreams of living men have found a home from the very earliest days when man began the dream of existence, it is India.
    French scholar Romain Rolland.

    India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border.
    Hu Shih.
    (Former Chinese ambassador to USA)


    Indian Contribution within UK

    Saviour of British Land Rover: Chinese

    Richest Man in UK: Laxmi Mittal

    5 or more GCSE at A* to C:

    Chinese: 74%
    Indian: 64%
    White: 51%
    (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/2816369.stm)

    These people from ethnic minority in return will continue to provide rather valuable contribution towards NHS & IT sector.

    In the Rhondda Valley of South Wales an incredible 73% of GPs are south Asian and in the neighbouring Cynon Valley the figure is 71%.
    (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3239540.stm)

    Businesses run by ethnic minorities are worth up to £700m to the Scottish economy, according to a new report. (just in Scotland, NOW, think about their overall contribution within the rest of the UK)
    (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4115546.stm)

    Unemployment rates amongst almost all ethnic minority groups are currently 10-15 percentage points higher than those of the White population and (with the exception of Indians)

    72 per cent of Asian young people aged 18 are in education, compared to 38 per cent of White young

    Ethnic minorities own 62,000 or 19 per cent of all businesses in London.

    Home Office estimates that in 1999/2000 migrants in the UK contributed £31.2 billion in taxes and consumed £28.8 billion in benefits and state services, a net fiscal contribution of approximately £2.5 billion after rounding.

    (http://www.london.gov.uk/assembly/past_ctees/econmtgs/2003/econjul15/econjul15item05.pdf#search='lond on%20economy%20by%20ethnic%20min ority')

    Do you think, America would've been seen as the RICHEST nation in the world today, WITHOUT having its fair share of economic contribution through the NON-WHITE population ??? Do you think UK would've been seen as the 4th strongest economy is the world, without similar contribution through these MINORITES ??? They MAY BE a minority by numbers (as opposed to the white population) but the QUALITY of contribution they've made & will continue to make towards this Land of Hope & Glory is just OUTSTANDING

    Course, no offence to any particular group, but as you can see these MINORITIES especially Chinese & Indian have out-performed the MAJORITY i.e. whites in many respect.

    This is just a tip of the iceberg, I must confess. Now, if these people weren't here, I wonder who would've replaced them. More importantly, would these people be qualified enough to replace them ??? I'm bit at sea about it :rolleyes:

    But then again, there's always a tiny disadvantages (which we're all aware of, so don't need mentioning), that comes with these vast advantages, that's MORE relevant for contry's stable economy. Don't forget, there's always 2 sides of the coin. No society is a PERFECT society.

    Nuff said !!! :cool:
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    norway didnt have an empire and has less ethnic minorities than us.then look at japans standard of living couldnt exactly call that multi cultural yet they do better than us.
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    (Original post by j4mes_bond25)
    From the searches I've done in different search engines, I came across this rather interesting FACTS:

    Advantages of MULTI RACIAL country (this one focuses merely on INDIANS & the contribution of INDIA, however & got it off an American website):
    I think alot of that information is largely irrelevant to a question of British culture. A nation's culture provides a universal bond and belief between its citizens that protects it and them. The arguments for multiculturalism, despite actually being arguments for immigration, cannot offer such a bond. In a multi-cultural society, nothing is universal, the nation has been broken down into alot of sub cultures inhabiting the same land with the disastrous consequences when these cultures decide to oppose one another and fill the void.
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    is all those statistics you add to the forum an intended disadvantage,as for the chinese saving land rover-its laughable when we look at whats going on with ROVER they got the models and were not sure what they are going to do with rover, now all our industry will be owned fom abroad. the chinese could have saved rover but they didnt they waited till they went down.
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    if india is so good why move to the UK, why dont the indians go to india and make their country so much better-stilli would rather live in the UK.those stats ive seen before and who cares ,who invented the tv- a scotsman who invented the car a german one in three criminals are black what is your point-please explain the advantage of these stats especially chinese ownership of british industry
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    36% of nasa employees-is that reflectedin the disastorous re-entry last time round
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    Vienna, did you HAVE to quote the whole of that post?
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    Some people argue that a multicultural society is divisive in itself, as it is essentially "apartheid by consent".. cultures are celebrated but kept seperate, as in the case of single faith schools, which may result in poor inter-cultural and race relations. The government tend to promote a multiracial/assimilated society instead, where different cultures are respected, but everyone is ultimately "British." Although Tony Blair agrees with single faith schools, I think, while David Blunkett (when he was home sec.) said that ethnic minority families should try and speak English at home.
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    (Original post by twokeyalexe)
    how do the so called advantages of multiculturalism really make up for the trouble it causes
    Oh, and :rolleyes:
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    What do you want instead? Do you want all the different races to hate and kill each other or something? Where would that get us? Why don't you just go and take your hatred to somewhere remote - preferably Antartica where you will find that black and white penguins can live together in peace.
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    No - please not antarctica - i love it there, and i dont want it spoilt (those emperor penguins though...black white and orange - he must despise them!)
    I predict the civil war will be normal people executing disgusting racist bigots, hopefully starting with those sick b*stards who stuck an axe in some poor blokes head, just for being black....
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    (Original post by twokeyalexe)
    36% of nasa employees-is that reflectedin the disastorous re-entry last time round
    thats quite a rash statement, almost as if you're implying that the death of those astronaughts was the fault of the 36%? They got the job because they were as good as or better than anyone else. You also ignore the enourmous achievement of nasa in the last century e.g travelling to the moon (please spare me the conspiracy theory websites if you are planning that)
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    Sorry to say it to you BNP guy...but 'foreigners' are a fundamental part of the backbone of britian. Remove em now...and see how crippled this country would be.
    So if you want the workforce and the expertise you have to be prepared to understand the culture and accept multiculturalism.
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    i just do hope that people being from different races goin to one country... that someday their culture would become one.. and yeah, minimizes multiculturalism... it really dominishes "oneness" in the community.. How i wish we all had the same skin colour and all that stuff.
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    (Original post by twokeyalexe)
    we hear enough on our media about how we should treasure our lovely multicultural and multi racial country. but in the words of john tyndall all multi racialism brought us was voodoo and aids,in the words of phil edwards all it brought it was currie houses and few extra footballers. what are the disadvantages of a multicultural/multi ethnic society?and how do the so called advantages of multiculturalism really make up for the trouble it causes
    Well what trouble does it cause exactly? Could you please elaborate? And you know as well as the rest of us do that foreigners have benefited this country more than they have hindered it.
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    While James Bond's cut-n-pastes from desi pride websites are interesting, most of it is a red herring in this case:

    - Silicon Valley is not in the UK, it is in the US
    - The US practices inclusive melting pot, not segregationist multiculturalism; as a result, you probably wouldn't get the same “Britain comes second [or third]” attitude that recent polls have revealed over here.
    - The motivations for immigration by these successful ethnic groups tend to be education and business opportunities, not because they were coerced by the budding host state.
    - This may be because they are middle/upper class in origin.
    - Either way, these immigrants usually end up bieng middle-classes. The middle-classes of different ethnicities usually have very good relations in most places where they mix, not so for the proles.
    - Reasons above are probably why Indians are not usually one of the ethnic groups complained about over here.

    One fallacious claim is that the Pentium was “created” as if by one man. The Pentium was merely the next, natural step up from the 486; there was no massive leap of invention or genius involved. This sort of work is usually done by a large team, which looks like it just happened to have a project leader with an Indian name. Making such a big deal out of it discredits the article, and it makes me question the other claims. It would have been better to simply mention that disproportionate 30% or so of Silicon Valley firms are owned, or were started by Asians.

    Also, that £2.5 billion contribution figure doesn't do wonders for your argument. It means the average immigrant contributes only half to the state than a Briton would.
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    Some possible disadvantages of multiculturalism I can think of (may arouse debate ):

    - Demographics. Because multiculturalism lets different ethnic groups maintain their traditional birthrates, often higher than that of the host nation. I doubt the British (or others) would surrender their demographic power without a fight, so outright ethnic conflict is very likely in the long-term.
    - Allegiance problems. In times of war, it is necessary to intern those who have sympathies with your opponent. Would we really have the resources to lock up millions of people, scattered all over the place?
    - Ethnic relations. It's ridiculous when the state has to pander to certain ethnic leaders in order to meet their approval. Britain is looking more and more like the British Raj each day.
    - Communalist politics. Such an ugly thing, but expect groups like the BNP and RESPECT to continue to become more powerful as the profits from such adventures increase.
    - Mastery. As the multicultural ethnic groups gain more power, they'll use it. Shiriah law, anyone?
    - States have always represented one dominant ethnic group. Multiculturalism really is an experiment. Possibly a fatal one.
    - The loss of civil liberties, which we can see daily. The above all give the state an excuse to expand.
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