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Reply 80
SlyPie
It's not as simple as that: http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/05computations.shtml

Even as an economics major, I won't pretend to know what that means. However, I must point out that different regions of the United States are relatively "wealthier" than others. For example, to buy a small house in California, you need to pay an average of 600,000 dollars. In the South you can pay 200,000 for a large house. The cost of living differs among these regions. It's just not that simple.

It's only alaska and hawaii where there are different poverty thresholds because the cost of living is higher. All the table you've given shows is how they've calculated the new guidelines.

edit: the statistic I gave was using relativity poverty for a family on the poverty line
Reply 81
Bezza
It's only alaska and hawaii where there are different poverty thresholds because the cost of living is higher. All the table you've given shows is how they've calculated the new guidelines.



That's not true. Alaska and Hawaii? Hah..talk about California. Honestly, my parents live in separate states and their costs of living differ dramatically, even when they are only a couple of states apart.
Slightly off topic now aren't we?

i know this is going to sound unjustified, but i get really annoyed at people trying to prove each other right/wrong all the time. Why can't you just agree to disagree?

The whole oxbridge/harvard thing is completely immeasurable. most (about 99.9% of) people in britain couldn't give a flying **** about international league tables, and so it just stirs things up (unnecessarily) when people start slating oxbridge/the british system in favour of another one (eg. usa). The systems are so different! Perhaps oxbridge get fewer applicants than harvard purely because those unlikely to get an offer (eg predictions of BBB) don't normally apply.
(Don't tear this post apart with statistics, please.)

Sorry if i have caused any offence / claims that i can't legitimately 'back up' with pdf files full of stats.

I will say one thing, though: Oxford and Cambridge are older :biggrin:
Reply 83
SlyPie
And as for you talking about our tax cuts. This is one of the key issues dividing the Democrats and the Republicans. Bush is a Republican--his interests are in the wealthier people. However, you must think of the rationale in this. Wealthier people have more money to spend; more money to spend in the economy--invisible hand theory.

As for your government--frankly I think it has some issues in dealing with this newfound socialism. When I was there, so many people were living in council housing--especially teenage mothers who were encouraged not to marry in order to benefit from the government. Trying to "equalize" the citizens does not mean creating a class solely dependent on welfare.


Gotta love those Republicans - claim to be Christian and caring, even 'Compassionate' - but instead they give cut taxes for the rich which do nothing to help the poor.

You mean, I presume, invisible hand theory in the most classical interpretation of Smith, as in Government must protect the rich from the poor? Hardly fit for the 21st century is it?

A tad ethnocentric, no? Marriage in the UK is at its lowest level since records began - to my mind this is a development and shows that rather than having to conform to socio-traditional, patriarchal and religious norms as marriage and childbearing in wedlock, the UK welfare system allows greater freedom in the maternal role. Divorce levels, I beleive, are higher in the US than UK - showing that marriage is often forced upon individuals due to a piss poor welfare system; a safety net with a hell of a lot of holes.
Reply 84
We're being downsized.
Reply 85
SlyPie
That's not true. Alaska and Hawaii? Hah..talk about California. Honestly, my parents live in separate states and their costs of living differ dramatically, even when they are only a couple of states apart.

I didn't say the cost of living was the same everywhere else as this would obviously be a lie, I said everywhere else has the same poverty thresholds as defined by your government (not by any set standard like in the uk)
the website you linked to
For Alaska and Hawaii, where the cost of living is traditionally believed to be significantly higher than in other states, scaling factors of 1.25 and 1.15, respectively, are applied to the 2005 guideline for a family of four for the 48 contiguous states, and the results (if not already a multiple of $10) are rounded upward to the nearest whole multiple of $10
Reply 86
SlyPie
Nah. I've only taken one economics course. (I am also a history major.) But I was taking my mathematics and statistics requirements as well as worthless breadth requirements. But ask me again once I've completed my next economics course. I have a long way to go before I graduate.

And I play the piano (for 12 years) and sing opera (for 6 years) da*n it..not the harmonica.


Seem desparate to prove your worth, don't you?
Reply 87
Hey, you asked me ....and of course
Reply 88
Inferiority complexes are terrible things.
Reply 89
awww, and you don't have one do you
Reply 90
Presumptuous again - I didn't ask you.
i know this is going to sound unjustified, but i get really annoyed at people trying to prove each other right/wrong all the time (personally, it seems a little more petty than a debate)
Why can't you just agree to disagree?

The whole oxbridge/harvard thing is completely immeasurable. most (about 99.9% of) people in britain couldn't give a flying **** about international league tables, and so it just stirs things up (unnecessarily) when people start slating oxbridge/the british system in favour of another one (eg. usa). The systems are so different! Perhaps oxbridge get fewer applicants than harvard purely because those unlikely to get an offer (eg predictions of BBB) don't normally apply.
(Don't tear this post apart with statistics, please.)

Sorry if i have caused any offence / claims that i can't legitimately 'back up' with pdf files full of stats.

I will say one thing, though: Oxford and Cambridge are older :biggrin:
Reply 92
whauden..check your mailio
Reply 93
SlyPie
awww, and you don't have one do you


Evidently not.

I'm curious, what's your insecurity caused by? Parents not love you? Never got over being rejected by HYP? Always picked last for the baseball team?
Reply 94
hmm i don't know i didn't apply to HYP...

not really insecurity as much as ambitious and wanting everything
Reply 95
but if you're willing to offer some monetary sympathy for my parents divorce, im more than willing eh
Reply 96
Copenhagen University is the best university, speaking academically.... It's reputation is perhaps not widespread, but a Danish education is the best education.
Reply 97
SlyPie
hmm i don't know i didn't apply to HYP...

not really insecurity as much as ambitious and wanting everything


Aww, whyever not? Harvard is the king of universities, after all. And ranked above Berkeley. As are YP, most of the time. And they're the most selective, too.

Why would you deliberately settle for what is so evidently a second rate education?
Reply 98
kcfan1212
Copenhagen University is the best university, speaking academically.... It's reputation is perhaps not widespread, but a Danish education is the best education.


And that is what I call a well reasoned and substantiated argument.

Congratulations.
YouKnewThat!
i know this is going to sound unjustified, but i get really annoyed at people trying to prove each other right/wrong all the time (personally, it seems a little more petty than a debate)
Why can't you just agree to disagree?

The whole oxbridge/harvard thing is completely immeasurable. most (about 99.9% of) people in britain couldn't give a flying **** about international league tables, and so it just stirs things up (unnecessarily) when people start slating oxbridge/the british system in favour of another one (eg. usa). The systems are so different! Perhaps oxbridge get fewer applicants than harvard purely because those unlikely to get an offer (eg predictions of BBB) don't normally apply.
(Don't tear this post apart with statistics, please.)

Sorry if i have caused any offence / claims that i can't legitimately 'back up' with pdf files full of stats.

I will say one thing, though: Oxford and Cambridge are older :biggrin:


Well said.

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