[farhan]

(Original post by Juicy Fruit)
Ooooh... I just had a Bon Jovi moment.

What's a Bon Jovi moment?

[Consie]

lol. I think many conservative Muslims suspect all Jews of being Zionists, indeed, Jews sitting in America get called Zionists. The inherent suspition (as demonstarted by justfarhan) of Jews probably means that to many, Jews are Zionists, end of story.

What I'm trying to say through my Bon Jovi metaphor is that people base their opinions of Islam on the extremeist tendencies Justfarhan somtimes displays. When people start to make generalisations about Islam there is outrage because moderate muslims are saying its people like Justfarhan who are making Muslims in general come across as intolerate and ultra-conservative. Thus, you shot moderate Islam through the heart, and your to blame, you give Muslims a bad name.

Also, I wish Palestinians would just get pragmatic about things. I personally dont agree with what the Isrealis did, even if my nation did at the time it was founded. But lets be realistic here, the Isrealis arent going anywhere, so moaning about getting them out is just being silly. Again, there's a complete absence of moderacy - the only way problems will stop is by peaceful boarder sharing, that will only be achieved when both of you stop blaming eachother and both take responsibility. Relgion is a pain in the arse.

[Invocation]

Justfarhan isn't an extremist. Therefore you have no argument. No stop spamming a perfectly good thread.

[Juicy Fruit]

(Original post by Consie1)
lol. I think many conservative Muslims suspect all Jews of being Zionists, indeed, Jews sitting in America get called Zionists. The inherent suspition (as demonstarted by justfarhan) of Jews probably means that to many, Jews are Zionists, end of story.

What I'm trying to say through my Bon Jovi metaphor is that people base their opinions of Islam on the extremeist tendencies Justfarhan somtimes displays. When people start to make generalisations about Islam there is outrage because moderate muslims are saying its people like Justfarhan who are making Muslims in general come across as intolerate and ultra-conservative. Thus, you shot moderate Islam through the heart, and your to blame, you give Muslims a bad name.

@ the Bon Jovi-ness of your post.

I've met tons of Muslims in my time, of varying degrees of 'religiousness', and I have never come across a single one who believes that all Jews are Zionists. And justfarhan certainly hasn't implied such a thing, nor is he an extremist. Also, the Palestinian issue is not an Islamic issue, it's a humanitarian, political and legal issue. You're making a connection between this and Islam when no such connection exists. There are many Palestinian Christians and they denounce Israel just as fervently as the Muslim population of Palestine does.

[Consie]

You're making a connection between this and Islam when no such connection exists

bull****, you're telling me if Isrealis were Muslim there'd be the same problem?

[Juicy Fruit]

(Original post by Consie1)
Also, I wish Palestinians would just get pragmatic about things. I personally dont agree with what the Isrealis did, even if my nation did at the time it was founded. But lets be realistic here, the Isrealis arent going anywhere, so moaning about getting them out is just being silly. Again, there's a complete absence of moderacy - the only way problems will stop is by peaceful boarder sharing, that will only be achieved when both of you stop blaming eachother and both take responsibility. Relgion is a pain in the arse.

It's called the survival instinct. If someone was beating you to death, would you lie down and let them continue, or fight back for even a slim chance of survival?

[Evil-Tuna]

consie, is that your new username after getting temp banned or have I missed something?

Bonjour mes amies to everyone else!

[Juicy Fruit]

(Original post by Consie1)
bull****, you're telling me if Isrealis were Muslim there'd be the same problem?

There'd be no such thing as Israel if the Israelis were Muslim, because they wouldn't have had a reason to seize land mostly belonging to other Muslims.

[Juicy Fruit]

(Original post by Evil-Tuna)
Bonjour mes amies to everyone else!

Bonjour!

[Invocation]

(Original post by Consie1)
bull****, you're telling me if Isrealis were Muslim there'd be the same problem?

The Palestinians aren't pissed of because they have Jews as neighbours. They are pissed of because their houses get demolished, their electricity and water keep getting cut off by them, their children get killed by the IDF, and so on.

It doesn't matter a flying **** whether they are Muslims, otherwise there would be sectarian violence instead like in Iraq.

[Consie]

look at Ireland. Yeah you had the extremists kicking off for a bit, bombing this that and the other, wanting the whole of Ireland to 'be free'. People realised there was absolutely no chance of it happening (especially since 80% of Irelands industrailsed capital is in northern Ireland, and the UK would be damned if that went) and so just agreed to keep it split - now theres even powersharing. the same is happening with this 'war on terror' - first it starts out as the extremeists are a faceless, sub human enemy bent on destroying our way of live and our puppies, now all the extreme bull**** is beginning to calm down as people realise the only way to stop problems is through dialogue. There's even Taliban interviews on BBC2 now ffs.

The Palestinians aren't pissed of because they have Jews as neighbours. They are pissed of because their houses get demolished, their electricity and water keep getting cut off by them, their children get killed by the IDF, and so on.

the fact they're Jews just fans the flames though, you cant reasonably expect me to think they dont. Also on the temp ban point, yeah i got temp banned, mainly due to a scottish moderator giving me a beat down after slagging off teh scots, but i was only to be gone for 3 days, i made this account becasue i kept on getting messages from some female freak and it was doing my head in.

It doesn't matter a flying **** whether they are Muslims, otherwise there would be sectarian violence instead like in Iraq.

If they were Muslims, they wouldnt be contesting between two different nations, since your all brothers in that desert anyway arent you? Or do you squabble even more than Catholics and Proddies do?

If someone was beating you to death, would you lie down and let them continue, or fight back for even a slim chance of survival?

thats a poor analogy, since you give as good as you get, and then play the victim.

[Evil-Tuna]

(Original post by Consie1)
bull****, you're telling me if Isrealis were Muslim there'd be the same problem?

That's a pointless argument because then it would be the declared holy land in the wonderous dogmatic sexist holy book of whatever that both Palestinians and Isralies can live there as well. Considered everything else was the same, which you have to assume. Dont cha?

[Evil-Tuna]

(Original post by Juicy Fruit)
Bonjour!

Hi!

Consie is certainly livening the place up tonight.

[Juicy Fruit]

(Original post by Consie1)
look at Ireland. Yeah you had the extremists kicking off for a bit, bombing this that and the other, wanting the whole of Ireland to 'be free'. People realised there was absolutely no chance of it happening (especially since 80% of Irelands industrailsed capital is in northern Ireland, and the UK would be damned if that went) and so just agreed to keep it split - now theres even powersharing.

Well please excuse the Palestinians for not being ready to give up their land, history and future just yet.

[Invocation]

(Original post by Consie1)
look at Ireland. Yeah you had the extremists kicking off for a bit, bombing this that and the other, wanting the whole of Ireland to 'be free'. People realised there was absolutely no chance of it happening (especially since 80% of Irelands industrailsed capital is in northern Ireland, and the UK would be damned if that went) and so just agreed to keep it split - now theres even powersharing. the same is happening with this 'war on terror' - first it starts out as the extremeists are a faceless, sub human enemy bent on destroying our way of live and our puppies, now all the extreme bull**** is beginning to calm down as people realise the only way to stop problems is through dialogue. There's even Taliban interviews on BBC2 now ffs.

This has **** all to do with Palestine.

the fact they're Jews just fans the flames though, you cant reasonably expect me to think they dont. Also on the temp ban point, yeah i got temp banned, mainly due to a scottish moderator giving me a beat down after slagging off teh scots, but i was only to be gone for 3 days, i made this account becasue i kept on getting messages from some female freak and it was doing my head in.

Only people who think a religious war is going on think this. The are the minority, so stop making a mountain out of a molehill.

[Juicy Fruit]

(Original post by the_chauffeur)
The Palestinians aren't pissed of because they have Jews as neighbours. They are pissed of because their houses get demolished, their electricity and water keep getting cut off by them, their children get killed by the IDF, and so on.

It doesn't matter a flying **** whether they are Muslims, otherwise there would be sectarian violence instead like in Iraq.

(Original post by Consie1)
the fact they're Jews just fans the flames though, you cant reasonably expect me to think they dont.

If they were Muslims, they wouldnt be contesting between two different nations, since your all brothers in that desert anyway arent you? Or do you squabble even more than Catholics and Proddies do?

It's the Europeans who have a thoroughly documented history of violence and hatred against the Jews, not Muslims. Muslims have the utmost respect for Judaism and its followers, as we believe that our religion directly descends from it (and Christianity).

[Consie]

Hold on, you, a muslim, waving your palestine flag, are trying to come across as more civilised and superior than europeans?

Anyway, wasnt the egyptians who kicked moses out? Also, i never knew that Germany consituted the whole of europe. Persecution in europe was no worse than anywhere else disregarding the Nazis, and may also be due to the fact that most of the jews were in europe. When they went to Palestine to try and fit in look who began to persecute them? How can you have the nerve saying europeans didnt let them settle in to homes they wanted to have, when your kicking off on them citing exacly the same reasons as europeans did when we kicked off on them.

I think whats best of all is that you speak to a Muslim and its 'isreal did this that and the other, killed our kids and everything' and yet fail to mention all the terrorist and rocket attacks they throw back.

[farhan]

(Original post by Consie1)
lol. I think many conservative Muslims suspect all Jews of being Zionists, indeed, Jews sitting in America get called Zionists. The inherent suspition (as demonstarted by justfarhan) of Jews probably means that to many, Jews are Zionists, end of story.

What I'm trying to say through my Bon Jovi metaphor is that people base their opinions of Islam on the extremeist tendencies Justfarhan somtimes displays. When people start to make generalisations about Islam there is outrage because moderate muslims are saying its people like Justfarhan who are making Muslims in general come across as intolerate and ultra-conservative. Thus, you shot moderate Islam through the heart, and your to blame, you give Muslims a bad name.

Also, I wish Palestinians would just get pragmatic about things. I personally dont agree with what the Isrealis did, even if my nation did at the time it was founded. But lets be realistic here, the Isrealis arent going anywhere, so moaning about getting them out is just being silly. Again, there's a complete absence of moderacy - the only way problems will stop is by peaceful boarder sharing, that will only be achieved when both of you stop blaming eachother and both take responsibility. Relgion is a pain in the arse.

If we replaced my username with yours, I'm pretty sure most people would agree with it - since writing my username doesn't achieve anything, I could have used your name to make examples about British people, but that's going off topic. Why should Israel stay there? They're not doing any good to anyone around them. I don't want to generalise either, I'm sure it's the acts of a few that's jeopardising the life of millions.

It shouldn't be Israel's choice to stay there, it should be the choice of the people who's land they occupied. Only the Palestenians have the right to decide whether to split their country with them, rule along them or kick them out. Israelis should just live there as immigrants, that should solve everything.

[Consie]

ireland problem has alot to do with palestine, becasue presicely the same thing is going to happen there, you brainwashed muslims just cant seem to realise that the JEws are going nowhere. The sooner both of you realise the only way to end this mess is to just power share like in Ireland the better.

I dont get your name point.

land of the people they occupied

you both as vehemently claim that land as eachother, and theres probably a 16year old Jew that has the same views about you, and is dying to get into an F16 to put those views into action. the point is extreme views and realistically demanding the jews to leave it just rediculous, if the palestinians and hte jews both showed a bit of moderacy and just agreed to share the same bit of turf, the whole word would respect you so much more.

[farhan]

Maybe you have that effect on everyone lol