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    As he does not intend to resign, when will the Lib Dems remove Morgsie as leader and salvage what remains of their party's reputation?
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    I regret saying it. She was a divisive figure. I feel terrible, I really do.

    It is my personal view. The official line is we don't support her death
    If someone told me this was a line from the next series of 'The Thick of It' I'd believe them.
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    I really hope that your party does not share these abhorrent views, to do so would stain the Liberal Democrats massively.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I really hope that your party does not share these abhorrent views, to do so would stain the Liberal Democrats massively.
    Regrettably and alarmingly it would appear they do.

    No other party would accept such behaviour from their leader. Yet the Liberal Democrats support him.
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    Regrettably and alarmingly it would appear they do.

    No other party would accept such behaviour from their leader. Yet the Liberal Democrats support him.
    Supporting our leader does not mean all TSR Lib Dems have the same view as him.
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    I distance myself personally from Morgsie's comments, but fully support his right to a free opinion.
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    If you are going to back your leader you are supporting what he does and the comments that he makes. For which there is no excuse or defence. Not only did he make these comments, he has tried to justify them and tried to falsely implicate that members of the government would try to do the same in the cases of people from the political left. To deliberately and falsely try to implicate members for things they havent done or won't do is slowly becoming habitual with your leader and its not something that the House is prepared to tolerate any longer.

    Given it's becoming more and more obvious Morgsie has got no intention of serving much longer as Lib Dem leader, I find your blind loyalty to him very commendable.
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    What is the point of your party?
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    (Original post by Moleman1996)
    Will the Lib Dem leader resign over his appalling "Thatcher is dead, Hooray" comment?

    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I know that we on TSR in the HOC do not like to bring RL politics into the fray but i am curious as to whether Liberal Democrat MP's condone your leaders comment of 'horray' in the fake Thatcher is dead thread.

    (Original post by Ham and Cheese)
    Disgraceful. TSR Liberal Democrats support the death of Thatcher?

    Lol as if it's a big deal. It's not. He said it in a thread that's off topic so really there's no reason to hold him accountable in an offical capacity.
    It's hardly a big deal, deal with it.
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    (Original post by Spaz Man)
    What is the point of your party?
    World domination
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    It makes me chuckle, that the full blunt of Lib Dem criticism is "You has a bad leader. Oh noez!!!!" it does demonstrate, quite well how you have no substantial criticisms of the Lib Dems so you'll just chase after their leader (despite him receiving a resounding vote of confidence from other lib dems in this thread). Don't get me wrong, i dislike the Lib Dems, but based on policy rather than the personal vendetta everyone seems to have. You know how ridiculously repetitive and boring it is to hear the exact same criticisms every couple of days? Have some imagination fellas.

    Damn, this house needs some form of quality control in its posts.
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    (Original post by paperclip)
    Damn, this house needs some form of quality control in its posts.
    We all know how much Labour love their control orders, but censoring MP's is an extreme step to take even for you
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    (Original post by Keckers)
    We all know how much Labour love their control orders, but censoring MP's is an extreme step to take even for you
    Now, i know that was a joke, but before making such comments you really should check out your facts. I'm a socialist, not a labour member
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    Lol as if it's a big deal. It's not. He said it in a thread that's off topic so really there's no reason to hold him accountable in an offical capacity.
    It's hardly a big deal, deal with it.
    A big deal it wasn't until he made claims that the Conservatives would be doing the same about people from the left.

    Can't tha see he's trying to drop you all in it when he quits as leader? No other party leader seems determined to bring their party into disrepute every single week of the term.
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    A big deal it wasn't until he made claims that the Conservatives would be doing the same about people from the left.
    Hows this related to his job as leader though? If it wasn't said within the MHOC then it's irrelevant.

    Can't tha see he's trying to drop you all in it when he quits as leader? No other party leader seems determined to bring their party into disrepute every single week of the term.
    Yes I'm sure he's trying to screw us all over, he's dooming us all, he's bringing us into disrepute :woo: :woo:

    Pull the other one, I'm sure you have better things to be doing.
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    T_C - It's becoming clearer and clearer, surely someone eager to help the party wouldn't be subjecting it to being laid out on the rack time and time again and remember it will be the other Lib Dems, the fair minded ones who are left to pick up the pieces.

    Regardless of whether he's leader or not he represents your party in its most senior capacity - he is not supposed to make comments contrary to Lib Dem opinion - Like I said, not only did he make those comments, he tried to make out others would do the same and more importantly tried to cover his tracks and hide them. If he did nothing wrong why hide it? If you made these comments I'd be asking you to resign as Secretary General - if I made them people would rightly expect my resignation.

    Either you can retain his services as leader and accept that his comments are representative of Liberal Democrat Opinion. Or you can take the necessary action to show making celebratory remarks about potential deaths of a frail 86 year old woman is not acceptable and begin the proceedings to have him replaced.
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    T_C - It's becoming clearer and clearer, surely someone eager to help the party wouldn't be subjecting it to being laid out on the rack time and time again and remember it will be the other Lib Dems, the fair minded ones who are left to pick up the pieces.

    Regardless of whether he's leader or not he represents your party in its most senior capacity - he is not supposed to make comments contrary to Lib Dem opinion - Like I said, not only did he make those comments, he tried to make out others would do the same and more importantly tried to cover his tracks and hide them. If he did nothing wrong why hide it? If you made these comments I'd be asking you to resign as Secretary General - if I made them people would rightly expect my resignation.

    Either you can retain his services as leader and accept that his comments are representative of Liberal Democrat Opinion. Or you can take the necessary action to show making celebratory remarks about potential deaths of a frail 86 year old woman is not acceptable and begin the proceedings to have him replaced.
    If he didn't say it within the MHoC then it's irrelevant. Outside of the MHoC I say things that are not always in line with Lib Dem policies. I sometimes say things that are slightly more right wing or something like that and I probably did whilst I was deputy leader, was I not supposed to?

    Are you seriously telling me that a person that takes part in this MHoC is never off duty? Really?

    I don't always represent the MUN and if I say something outside of the MUN I'm not speaking as SG I'm speaking as me (unless I'm speaking specifically in that capacity in which case I'll say so.) So if I turned around and said "All Somalians are scumbags" You couldn't really call for me to resign as SG.

    Now that little ultimatum of yours where you say I condone it or call for him to resign is nonsense and it's unncessary. I'm not going to condone what he said and I'm not going to accept his comments are representative of Liberal Democrat Opinion, but at the same time I'm not going to call for him to resign, pressure him to resign, ask him or mention it.

    If he said it outside of the MHoC then it's largely irrelevant to the MHoC and you can't really hold it against him and call for him to resign for it. End of.
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    T_C - It's becoming clearer and clearer, surely someone eager to help the party wouldn't be subjecting it to being laid out on the rack time and time again and remember it will be the other Lib Dems, the fair minded ones who are left to pick up the pieces.

    Regardless of whether he's leader or not he represents your party in its most senior capacity - he is not supposed to make comments contrary to Lib Dem opinion - Like I said, not only did he make those comments, he tried to make out others would do the same and more importantly tried to cover his tracks and hide them. If he did nothing wrong why hide it? If you made these comments I'd be asking you to resign as Secretary General - if I made them people would rightly expect my resignation.

    Either you can retain his services as leader and accept that his comments are representative of Liberal Democrat Opinion. Or you can take the necessary action to show making celebratory remarks about potential deaths of a frail 86 year old woman is not acceptable and begin the proceedings to have him replaced.
    If i recall correctly, didn't you have the exact same squabble with abucha when you were just blowing stuff out of proportion and trying to stain a whole party with one brush? You seem to have a habit of scape goating people and trying to unjustly destroy their characters (IIRC with abucha you had a number of people also telling you to let it go). Hell, keeping this in mind, i'd turn the tables around and ask you whether your posts in this thread are 100% reflective of UKIP's opinion of the lib dems, and ask you to resign as an MP if they are not.

    And don't you dare go around telling parties what to do or what they believe, it's not your place to decide.
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    Morgsie makes off hand comment in non MHOC thread = we all share that view unless we ask for his resignation as leader. Excellent logic.

    I disagree with what he said, I don't gaf if Thatcher's dead or alive, she's an 86 year old woman who's had a decent innings and I have no personal connection to the woman but it's not relevant to the TSR party. If Morgsie wants to hold the view that Thatchers death would be a good thing, so be it, I don't really care, and neither should any of you really.
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    If he didn't say it within the MHoC then it's irrelevant. Outside of the MHoC I say things that are not always in line with Lib Dem policies. I sometimes say things that are slightly more right wing or something like that and I probably did whilst I was deputy leader, was I not supposed to?

    Are you seriously telling me that a person that takes part in this MHoC is never off duty? Really?

    I don't always represent the MUN and if I say something outside of the MUN I'm not speaking as SG I'm speaking as me (unless I'm speaking specifically in that capacity in which case I'll say so.) So if I turned around and said "All Somalians are scumbags" You couldn't really call for me to resign as SG.

    Now that little ultimatum of yours where you say I condone it or call for him to resign is nonsense and it's unncessary. I'm not going to condone what he said and I'm not going to accept his comments are representative of Liberal Democrat Opinion, but at the same time I'm not going to call for him to resign, pressure him to resign, ask him or mention it.

    If he said it outside of the MHoC then it's largely irrelevant to the MHoC and you can't really hold it against him and call for him to resign for it. End of.
    But in the house he made the claim that conservatives would be doing the same at the death of someone like Michael Foot for example. Like I said he also tried to cover up his comments by deleting them.

    Enough is enough now and like I mentioned, its clear that he's planning to abandon the ship soon I'd ditch the captain now to save the Lib Dems


    Paperclip, the thing with abucha was buried 22 months ago, and he certainly never took comments to expressing praise at the death of somebody. I think you'll find that me and abucha have been getting on well in the government and he is equally disgusted with the comment the lib dem 'leader' is making, in adding to the now ridiculously long list of things he's done to bring his position into disrepute.

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Updated: March 11, 2013
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