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    (Original post by JPKC)
    Socialism in practice is highly compatible with parts of social liberalism in practice, even if they are both separate theories at base. I would point to some aspects of the welfare state but I'm pretty sure you've already got the history on that. Of course you're right about progressivism, I did emphasise that I was using the term in its traditional meaning (as a synonym for radical). And mental illnesses always make for such nice metaphors.



    I wonder why...



    I quoted her into this thread to ask "Would you like to ask me that question?" If she would, then obviously she should head over to the "Ask a Socialist" thread. Following the very important procedure to the letter, I think.
    I know, but I bet it wouldn't have turned out that way! Post like that can cause a thread to veer off-topic quite easily and then stuff gets missed. Don't take it as a *******ing of any sort, it's just a pointer to keep threads in order.
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    (Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
    Fine fine. But I absolutely fail to see why speakers protect the Lib Dems as though they're children fresh out of nappies. T&J did it all the time and now here you are too. Strange really.
    To be fair, I don't think we're getting any preferential treatment. It's likely Metro would have done the same in another 'Ask the party' thread if the conversation was looking likely to deviate from discussion of party policy.
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    Mazzini is a bloke :facepalm2:
    (Original post by Mazzini)
    And it's not as if it doesn't say at the top of each of my posts...
    I'm sorry. I just haven't really seen you around here until you made a comment about me in PMQs. I'd assumed you were a she because I'm a feminist and assume that everyone is a woman because to do otherwise is a submission to the phallocentrism permeating our kyriarchal culture.

    (Original post by Mazzini)
    Erm... No?
    Yellow-bellied varmit.
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    I'd assumed you were a she because I'm a feminist and assume that everyone is a woman because to do otherwise is a submission to the phallocentrism permeating our kyriarchal culture.
    Fair point
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    (Original post by Metrobeans)
    I know, but I bet it wouldn't have turned out that way! Post like that can cause a thread to veer off-topic quite easily and then stuff gets missed. Don't take it as a *******ing of any sort, it's just a pointer to keep threads in order.
    (Original post by Birchington)
    To be fair, I don't think we're getting any preferential treatment. It's likely Metro would have done the same in another 'Ask the party' thread if the conversation was looking likely to deviate from discussion of party policy.
    The problem is there isn't really a thread for discussing "my values", so wherever it is some poor party suffers. I'd rather the Lib Dems were that party since the Socialist thread actually gets used for discussing socialism.
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    I'd rather the Lib Dems were that party since the Socialist thread actually gets used for discussing socialism whereas the questions here don't even get answered half the time.
    I can't speak for my colleagues but I always endeavour to answer questions posed here. You're welcome to ask me anything about the party or policy but on the monarchy debate I can't speak for the others as evidently I'm pro-republic.
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    (Original post by Birchington)
    To be fair, I don't think we're getting any preferential treatment. It's likely Metro would have done the same in another 'Ask the party' thread if the conversation was looking likely to deviate from discussion of party policy.
    I'm afraid I don't share your belief.
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    I am not involved directly with the Monarchy Campaign, I have only endorsed it and will be voting for it.

    I have a lot on at the moment, Running the Party including trying to improve activity and the back room stuff. Also I am the newly elected MUN EU Secretariat and I will be doing my best to build on the success by the Former Secretariat.

    I was brought up in a Monarchist household.
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    (Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
    I'm afraid I don't share your belief.
    I don't think it's correct to accuse Metro of being anything but impartial. He has been speaker for nearly two years with a perfect record, especially compared with that of some of his predecessors. If I felt like he was giving any party preferential treatment I'd be the first to complain. I don't believe the evidence is there to suggest he's treating us any differently.
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    (Original post by Birchington)
    I don't think it's correct to accuse Metro of being anything but impartial. He has been speaker for nearly two years with a perfect record, especially compared with that of some of his predecessors. If I felt like he was giving any party preferential treatment I'd be the first to complain. I don't believe the evidence is there to suggest he's treating us any differently.
    Haha, you might belief that - and I'm certain you do - but Metro has demonstrated clear bias when dealing with me in the past. It was on a previous account so I can't place that information at your disposal but let's just say he held one attitude with some members of the House and a completely different one with me and almost derailed a lengthy and complex bill as a result. Metro has certainly be the best speaker I've had the pleasure of knowing - and I've known a lot of them - but he is far from impartial.
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    (Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
    Haha, you might belief that - and I'm certain you do - but Metro has demonstrated clear bias when dealing with me in the past.
    Fair enough. I can't speak for what you've personally experienced, but from where I'm sitting Metro has been great.
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    Okay so this term so far I've seen the Speaker attacked by a former Lib Dem for being anti-Lib Dem, attacked by a former Labourite for being pro-Lib Dem, and attacked by a UKIPer for being fair! I do not envy the job.

    Here's my question to the Liberal Democrats:

    How do you reconcile the monarchist tendency with your liberalism?
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    Okay so this term so far I've seen the Speaker attacked by a former Lib Dem for being anti-Lib Dem, attacked by a former Labourite for being pro-Lib Dem, and attacked by a UKIPer for being fair! I do not envy the job.

    Here's my question to the Liberal Democrats:

    How do you reconcile the monarchist tendency with your liberalism?
    After the Referendum, we will be re-grouping.

    IRL they have changed the first born son rule to Katherine's first born child.
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    (Original post by Birchington)
    I can't speak for my colleagues but I always endeavour to answer questions posed here. You're welcome to ask me anything about the party or policy but on the monarchy debate I can't speak for the others as evidently I'm pro-republic.
    The question wasn't about the monarchy though, the fact that the liberal democrats are divided is evident. The question was about your parties political philosophies given that it is divided. Indeed, the conservative party have been answering the exact same questions.

    Do you believe the lack of a solid liberal democrat consensus against the monarchy undermines the core principles of a liberal democracy that your party strive for?

    Indeed, your leader, himself is a monarchist. So whilst i find the idea of him being a social democrat laughable, he certainly isn't a liberal. He also needs to learn to control his temper when he fails to evade a question...it just looks weak and he certainly doesn't need any more parties against him.
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    (Original post by paperclip)
    The question wasn't about the monarchy though, the fact that the liberal democrats are divided is evident. The question was about your parties political philosophies given that it is divided. Indeed, the conservative party have been answering the exact same questions.

    Do you believe the lack of a solid liberal democrat consensus against the monarchy undermines the core principles of a liberal democracy that your party strive for?

    Indeed, your leader, himself is a monarchist. So whilst i find the idea of him being a social democrat laughable, he certainly isn't a liberal. He also needs to learn to control his temper when he fails to evade a question...it just looks weak and he certainly doesn't need any more parties against him.
    I am a Liberal Democrat through and through. I have not lost my temper, I have been holding your colleague to account for his betrayals, he lied to the electorate. He went back on things he said during the election and he should be held to account. Here is some advice, keep an eye on him because he may do what he done to Labour again but this time in your Party.

    Regarding Parties against me, that was a while ago and relations with other Parties are improving.
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    (Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
    Fine fine. But I absolutely fail to see why speakers protect the Lib Dems as though they're children fresh out of nappies. T&J did it all the time and now here you are too. Strange really.
    Change the record love
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    I am a Liberal Democrat through and through. I have not lost my temper, I have been holding your colleague to account for his betrayals, he lied to the electorate. He went back on things he said during the election and he should be held to account. Here is some advice, keep an eye on him because he may do what he done to Labour again but this time in your Party.
    Well, what you've actually done is take his fairly well worded criticism of your party, evaded it for unsubstantial reasons, dumbed it down and thrown it back at him. Lets look at what he said and you said again

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    I've never seen you debate in the House and would be interested to have one with you and the other Lib Dem members that pertain to the pro-monarchy campaign.

    You've clearly stated that you favour the monarchy, and, as leader of the Lib Dems, can you explain how the inequal rights that monarchy entails are reconciled with your party's ostensible liberalism?
    You have betrayed everything what you stand for, lied to the electorate, confused over who the Home Secretary is and there are other things.

    We have not betrayed our principles unlike you. My Colleague is entitled to ask the DPM what he thinks about the whole situation.


    You can quite easily see the underlying theme about misrepresenting yourselves, although he was more intelligent about it because he did well to imply it and question your party's philosophical basis, you looked like you were an angry kid. Hell, you actually go far enough to make the point explicit, "We have not betrayed our principles unlike you." which is literally telling us that you stole his criticisms from him.

    To finish it off, even your post to me you resort to using ad hom's, "keep an eye on him because he may do what he done to Labour again but this time in your Party"

    Regarding Parties against me, that was a while ago and relations with other Parties are improving.
    Yeah, well party relations aren't roller-coaster rides, if you want to play with the big boys, you would do less to be less blatant and reactionary. Your weak evade and attack tactic just looked incredibly childish.
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    Change the record love
    Well like Glenn Gould playing Bach's Goldberg Variations in 1955, the discovery of your bias towards the diaper kings was a revelation then and remains sweet music upon the still night air, dearest.
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    what would you say are the key principles that you believe in or that guide your politics?
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    Yellow-bellied varmit.
    Nice comeback there

    Besides, how could I ask you "What are your views on yourself joining the Socialist Party?"

    Edit: I see you negged me... Childish.
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