[Leon Trotsky]

(Original post by misterxninja)
What if they have given fantastic national service in the advancement of the UK and have key knowledge that could be useful as a voice in the House of Lords? Why ban someone who can and will benefit the UK and have expert opinions.

Former ministers could be handy to have, as they lived through political times of the past and might have useful experience and advice on how to deal with a similar recurring issue or problem in society that has reared its head again.

Do you not think banning ex-MP's is all well and good in sentiment of not having career politicians as you call them, but what about the pragmatic needs of the country we might need these voices on a regular basis to consult our MP's with key experience and knowledge.

You don't need to be an elected official to "have expert opinions" as you so vaguely say.

[misterxninja]

(Original post by Addzter)
You don't need to be an elected official to "have expert opinions" as you so vaguely say.

No you don't I agree, but it can be useful to have a house with people who have specialist expert opinions and not just politicians no, but banning all previous politicians from becoming a House of Lords member seems a bit ridiculous to me, though I see her concern and sentiments.

Banning ex MP's would prevent experience being passed down... It is a bad thing pragmatically. Even though I see the sentiment and worry of career politicians having some points and merits, the pragmatic needs and benefits outweigh the risk of career politicians and actual damage or problem a career politician may present.

So what, we want people who have a career in politics with knowledge of it to hang around in the House of Lords as a good little reference source; I speak mainly of previous ministers and so on be highly useful whatever party shade to keep them on after they retire from the Commons having them elected via a PR open party list system.

[Leon Trotsky]

(Original post by misterxninja)
No you don't I agree, but it can be useful to have a house with people who have specialist expert opinions and not just politicians no, but banning all previous politicians from becoming a House of Lords member seems a bit ridiculous to me, though I see her concern and sentiments.

Banning ex MP's would prevent experience being passed down... It is a bad thing pragmatically. Even though I see the sentiment and worry of career politicians having some points and merits, the pragmatic needs and benefits outweigh the risk of career politicians and actual damage or problem a career politician may present.

So what, we want people who have a career in politics with knowledge of it to hang around in the House of Lords as a good little reference source; I speak mainly of previous ministers and so on be highly useful whatever party shade to keep them on after they retire from the Commons having them elected via a PR open party list system.

I don't even particularly disagree with you, I just wanted to call you out on something.

Although surely you can see the benefits to having an elected upper house free from partisan, out of touch career politicians? If they're so beneficial then they can stay in the Commons, or contribute in an unelected role as advisors or something.

[misterxninja]

(Original post by Addzter)
I don't even particularly disagree with you, I just wanted to call you out on something be a nuisance.

Although surely you can see the benefits to having an elected upper house free from partisan, out of touch career politicians? If they're so beneficial then they can stay in the Commons, or contribute in an unelected role as advisors or something.

What if they have given fantastic national service in the advancement of the UK and have key knowledge that could be useful as a voice in the House of Lords? Why ban someone who can and will benefit the UK and have expert opinions.

Former ministers could be handy to have, as they lived through political times of the past and might have useful experience and advice on how to deal with a similar recurring issue or problem in society that has reared its head again.

Do you not think banning ex-MP's is all well and good in sentiment of not having career politicians as you call them, but what about the pragmatic needs of the country we might need these voices on a regular basis to consult our MP's with key experience and knowledge.

Nothing to call out on, nothing I said wrong. You were being pedantic trying to pick a hole but there was no hole to pick. Now if you have nothing to contribute to the debate... please shut up. I was polite and respectable and understand the concern of career politicians and the sentiment of what Yvolt was saying, I was just giving her a wider point to consider on the negative impact of what a ban will imply.

I never said only ex-MP's have expert opinions, not once not ever, nor did I imply that. So your whole "pulling me up" on something only existed as far as there was evidence to suggest I was suggesting ex-MP's are an exclusive voice of expert opinion.

[Birchington]

Just to let everyone know, the leadership election has now concluded and Thunder_Chunky has been elected as the new Lib Dem leader.

I look forward to continuing working with the House as Deputy Leader.

[JPKC]

What's happening with your MPs now the leadership's switched? Do you guys have elections or appointments? (I notice some of your MPs do little around here while some non-MPs do a lot - WT and Stanlas, respectively.)

Congratulations T_C, sorry to those that lost out (except Simon Quinlank).

[Morgsie]

(Original post by JPKC)
What's happening with your MPs now the leadership's switched? Do you guys have elections or appointments? (I notice some of your MPs do little around here while some non-MPs do a lot - WT and Stanlas, respectively.)

Congratulations T_C, sorry to those that lost out (except Simon Quinlank).

Leadership decides on MP's though I did advocate moving to an electoral process.

[toronto353]

Congratulations to T_C and commiserations to everyone else. I look forward to working with the Lib Dems in the future.

[Morgsie]

(Original post by toronto353)
Congratulations to T_C and commiserations to everyone else. I look forward to working with the Lib Dems in the future.

You still get to work with me in the MUN

[toronto353]

(Original post by Morgsie)
You still get to work with me in the MUN

I get the best of both worlds really because I get to work with all three of you in one way or another.

[thunder_chunky]

(Original post by JPKC)
What's happening with your MPs now the leadership's switched? Do you guys have elections or appointments? (I notice some of your MPs do little around here while some non-MPs do a lot - WT and Stanlas, respectively.)

Congratulations T_C, sorry to those that lost out (except Simon Quinlank).

Firstly thanks for the congrats.
Secondly there will be discussions about the position of some MP's.

(Original post by toronto353)
Congratulations to T_C and commiserations to everyone else. I look forward to working with the Lib Dems in the future.

Thanks, I look forward to working with other parties, even UKIP.

[RoryS]

Congratulations to T_C, commiserations to any other candidates.

I look forward to sharing bills and ideas with the Lib Dems in the near future.

[Rhadamanthus]

Congratulations T_C! I wonder if it was a close 'un...

[Teaddict]

Answer to my question?

[Morgsie]

(Original post by JPKC)
Morgsie are you a trainspotter?

I am not a Trainspotter. I have an interest in Trains and Rail Policy. I read Rail magazine and I go onto a Rail forum. I am the Chief Architect of the Lib Dem's Rail Policy.

[tehFrance]

(Original post by Morgsie)
I am not a Trainspotter. I have an interest in Trains and Rail Policy. I read Rail magazine and I go onto a Rail forum. I am the Chief Architect of the Lib Dem's Rail Policy.

In other words you are a deeper more evolved trainspotter?

[JPKC]

(Original post by Morgsie)
I am not a Trainspotter. I have an interest in Trains and Rail Policy. I read Rail magazine and I go onto a Rail forum. I am the Chief Architect of the Lib Dem's Rail Policy.

Oh so you're just a railway enthusiast in that case. You should consider Hornby now that you've got fewer things to be doing in the MHoC. Bags of fun for railfans, I'm told.

[JPKC]

Where's the last page of discussion gone?


This was posted from The Student Room's iPhone/iPad App

[Morgsie]

(Original post by JPKC)
Oh so you're just a railway enthusiast in that case. You should consider Hornby now that you've got fewer things to be doing in the MHoC. Bags of fun for railfans.


This was posted from The Student Room's iPhone/iPad App

My future is being discussed by the Leadership

[misterxninja]

(Original post by Teaddict)
Answer to my question?

Might be worth editing and quoting your original question, saves people sifting back through pages Thought I might add that while I'm posting about something else.

(Original post by Thunder_Chunky)
FAO

Given that the TSR Lib Dems have had disunity and a minority have exhibited behaviour ill fitting of any TSR political party towards one another lately. What do you plan to do to unite and discipline those who committed wrong-doing to the TSR Lib Dems and went against the best interests of the party you now find yourself narrowly leading.

I refer here to the use of threats during the TSR Lib Dem electoral processes once during the VoNC called against Morgsie and once during the leadership elections of particular members, who were labelled and identified by many TSR Lib Dems as "Lib Dem rebels", will these rebels get a firm dressing down and warning so they learn how to behave towards TSR Lib Dem members and act as an upstanding member of the TSR Lib Dems.

I'm of the opinion the use of threat in democratic elections to manipulate democratic outcomes is a form of cheating and bullying and I'm sure many here in the house will agree with me that threats have no place on TSR, especially during votes and elections to manipulate the outcome. This is grounds of gross misconduct in TSR party politics. Such behaviour must be dealt with or it shall spread throughout the TSR political house. Although I'm sure the other TSR parties would more firmly and quickly deal with such misconduct and be very quick to issue a party warning at the very least, do you plan to continue your stance of let everyone do what they want now your leader of the TSR Lib Dems?

I hope for swift action and justice to correct the new precedent that the TSR Lib Dems inaction now means that threats are tolerated and allowed to go on unchallenged in TSR politics. It must be taken seriously especially when such threats are made in an attempt to manipulate a democratic outcome and bully people at the ballot boxes. Such threats were more conspiratorial and sinister than just a "heat of the moment comment".

I look forward to hearing news of what you have done as leader to reinforce the TSR Lib Dems stability and depleted reputation in the house. I doubt highly any party wants to coalition with a party that tries to use threat to gain its democratic outcomes, as this would not sit well in constructing a stable coalition government in the future and will mean the Lib Dems get left out of such things and considerations.