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Reply 1
Graduate entry students are normally 21 when they apply.... so one year would hardly make a difference. GO FOR IT guns blazin' =P
No way.
There are people on the course much older than that.
Reply 3
Guy guyson
I was just wondering if being 22 when applying would cause any issues?
I know there is no upper age limit, but I realize that med schools take into account how long you can practise afterwards.

May be a stupid question but anything that won't count against me can do nothing but bring hope!

Also it might be worth asking, what is the age limit before you must stop being a doctor?
Or the average age doctors retire?


We currently have several access students all of them 35+ in our cohort so it can't make much difference being 22. Although there has been mention of the fact that they may find it harder to get into competitive specialities later on due to their age, although this wouldn't apply for someone of 22 I don't think.
Reply 4
Ah thanks, I was worried I may have to do alot this year and I would end up lacking work experiance, but if I can spread it out over 2 years it will leave me plenty of time to get that oh so valuble experiance, and also get some money I'm gonna need in the future.
Kilabu
We currently have several access students all of them 35+ in our cohort so it can't make much difference being 22. Although there has been mention of the fact that they may find it harder to get into competitive specialities later on due to their age, although this wouldn't apply for someone of 22 I don't think.


That is as discriminative as turning women down for specialities because they might spend five years off doing childcare chores, vehemently dislike.
Reply 6
Well considering the amount of money it costs to train someone in a speciality and that if it takes them 7 years to qualify plus almost 10 years to specialize they will have about 5 - 10 years actually working fully qualified in that specialism then I think it is entirely fair .... why waste monet when someone else would do exactly the same job but for much longer therefore saving a lot of money?? and it isn't the same because most women eventually return to the job once they have had children they don't just pack up and waste all their training.
Reply 7
Kilabu
Well considering the amount of money it costs to train someone in a speciality and that if it takes them 7 years to qualify plus almost 10 years to specialize they will have about 5 - 10 years actually working fully qualified in that specialism then I think it is entirely fair .... why waste monet when someone else would do exactly the same job but for much longer therefore saving a lot of money?? and it isn't the same because most women eventually return to the job once they have had children they don't just pack up and waste all their training.


Why are they only valuable when "working fully qualified in that specialism"? In fact, they are better value for money when junior doctors/SpRs, considering what consultants get paid. If you want to save money then you should actually encourage more people working at lower grades, not fewer.
Reply 8
Kilabu
Well considering the amount of money it costs to train someone in a speciality and that if it takes them 7 years to qualify plus almost 10 years to specialize they will have about 5 - 10 years actually working fully qualified in that specialism then I think it is entirely fair .... why waste monet when someone else would do exactly the same job but for much longer therefore saving a lot of money?? and it isn't the same because most women eventually return to the job once they have had children they don't just pack up and waste all their training.



in actual fact, there a much larger proportion of school leaver medics who go on to leave the medical profession prematurely, when compared to grad medics.

therefore your argument (if you'd 'ave caredto fink about it) is the reverse - that older applicants should 'ave more priority than younger applicants.

needlesstosay,no one is going to support your argument, including you.
You're fine. Some people are well into their 30's. That's the good thing about medicine :smile:

Plus the retirement age is only going to go up!
Reply 10
Gizmo!
in actual fact, there a much larger proportion of school leaver medics who go on to leave the medical profession prematurely, when compared to grad medics.

therefore your argument (if you'd 'ave caredto fink about it) is the reverse - that older applicants should 'ave more priority than younger applicants.

needlesstosay,no one is going to support your argument, including you.


They are not graduates therfore your arguement about more school leavers than graduates dropping out doesn't apply and if you had read my first post it isn't me that had said this about them finding it harder it is what they have been warned by careers tutors and such like. I was merely saying that I agree with the reasoning behind it.
Kilabu
Well considering the amount of money it costs to train someone in a speciality and that if it takes them 7 years to qualify plus almost 10 years to specialize they will have about 5 - 10 years actually working fully qualified in that specialism then I think it is entirely fair .... why waste monet when someone else would do exactly the same job but for much longer therefore saving a lot of money?? and it isn't the same because most women eventually return to the job once they have had children they don't just pack up and waste all their training.


Your maths is shocking! So someone enters aged 22, qualifies age 28, works for 10 years to become a consultant...that makes them 38, giving them (65-38) years as a consultant, I.e. 27!! I think thats a wise investment, no?

Plus, they'll let people up to age 40 or even 45 start medical school these days. My flatmate is 31 and he's a second year! Doesnt mean he's a liability to the NHS or anything!
Reply 12
graemematt
Your maths is shocking! So someone enters aged 22, qualifies age 28, works for 10 years to become a consultant...that makes them 38, giving them (65-38) years as a consultant, I.e. 27!! I think thats a wise investment, no?

Plus, they'll let people up to age 40 or even 45 start medical school these days. My flatmate is 31 and he's a second year! Doesnt mean he's a liability to the NHS or anything!


I (assume) he's just using that as an example why it isn't as worthwhile training someone who is a lot older ie 30's/40's as he did previously state that being 22 shouldn't be a problem for the OP but goes on to mention people who are older than this doing it (in his post 35+) that may have trouble later going into specialisms due to their age.. In these calculations he is referring to the older 30's/40's applicants, not the OP. With calculations for someone of about forty, his values generally add up. 40+7+10+(5~10)= about 65.

Your example simply proves his point that yes, someone of 22 would be better value compared to people ages 35+ or older studying as they would be active much longer.
I'm going to be 22 when I start, so worry not. I think Gizmo's trying to say that statistics show that those who start younger leave earlier - maybe due to things like burnout, or they may have feelings of regret that they locked themselves into such a demanding profession from such an early age. It might be the case that the older you are when you start, the longer you work because you are fully commited to your choice, have properly explored alternatives and have more life experience to deal with the less glamourous sides fo the profession. It would be that they are choosing to leave early, instead of working their time until they retire.
krisblade
I (assume) he's just using that as an example why it isn't as worthwhile training someone who is a lot older ie 30's/40's as he did previously state that being 22 shouldn't be a problem for the OP but goes on to mention people who are older than this doing it (in his post 35+) that may have trouble later going into specialisms due to their age.. In these calculations he is referring to the older 30's/40's applicants, not the OP. With calculations for someone of about forty, his values generally add up. 40+7+10+(5~10)= about 65.

Your example simply proves his point that yes, someone of 22 would be better value compared to people ages 35+ or older studying as they would be active much longer.


Ah well I can appreciate where they're coming from then, assuming thats the example they were making. Although I dont think even at 40 medical schools should be discriminating against candidates...maybe at 50. I think it all depends on the specialty an older medical student would wish to pursue...after all, training to become a fully fledged GP takes less time than say a gyaecologist or general surgeon, so they would in theory have more years to offer!

Interestingly, there was a rumour going around that supposedly there was a 49-year old fresher at UEA a few years back?? Is this true??
Reply 15
Kilabu
They are not graduates therfore your arguement about more school leavers than graduates dropping out doesn't apply and if you had read my first post it isn't me that had said this about them finding it harder it is what they have been warned by careers tutors and such like. I was merely saying that I agree with the reasoning behind it.

actually, you will find that the utter vast majority of the 'older' med students are graduates, and therefore your argument is still as utterly wrong as it was to start wif.

there is a point at which a dead 'orse ought not to be flogged, macca.
Reply 16
Kilabu
They are not graduates therfore your arguement about more school leavers than graduates dropping out doesn't apply and if you had read my first post it isn't me that had said this about them finding it harder it is what they have been warned by careers tutors and such like. I was merely saying that I agree with the reasoning behind it.


another fing, be careful of the language you use. you say 'dropping out', wihch implies leaving a university course.

i am saying that they change career from the medical profession (ie nuffing to do wif leaving uni). your language implies that you are finking about this in skool boy terms rather than in the terms of careers over a lifetime.
Reply 17

Thanks for your help.

I am wondering what kind of career change you could make if you were already a doctor. I suppose trust wouldn't be an issue.
You could go into research or teaching, anything really. I was watching the whole 19 yards at the weekend, and one of the contestents on that had been a Dr for 25 years and then changed careers to become a food saftey inspector...
Guy guyson
Thanks for your help.

I am wondering what kind of career change you could make if you were already a doctor. I suppose trust wouldn't be an issue.


virtually any.

TV comedian, investment banker, risk consultancy, politician are some random ones then theres teaching and research as ilovechocolate suggested.

A medical degree is a powerful thing, it proves a lot about you as a person.

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