[marksy]

Guys, I'm wondering how graduate schools in US/UK/CA/AU can be compared.
Let's discuss about this exciting topic!

I know it heavily depends on the subject, but we are still able to talk about the ranking in general. I prepared the draft ranking for our discussion.

Graduate school ranking

Rank S
US Harvard,Yale,Princeton,Stanford, MIT,Caltech
UK Cambridge
CA -
AU -

Rank A+
US Columbia,UPenn,Chicago,UC Berkeley
UK Oxford
CA -
AU -

Rank A
US Cornell,Northwestern,NYU,UCLA
UK Imperial LSE
CA Toronto
AU -

Rank A-
US Brown,CMU,Duke,Georgetown,Johns Hopkins,Wisconsin-Madison,Michigan-Ann Arbor,Illinois,UCSD,Texas Austin
UK UCL
CA Mcgill
AU ANU

Rank B
US Dartmouth,Washington-St.Louis,BU,Emory,Notre Dame,Rochester,GIT
UK Manchester,Warwick,King's
CA UBC
AU Sydney

Rank C
US USC,Tufts,Vanderbilt,Penn State,BC,UNC-Chapel Hill,Virginia,OSU,UCD,UCI,UCSB
UK Edinburgh
CA Queen's
AU Melbourne Queensland

I put these unis into the ranking table by 3 standards(1.Research quality 2.Selectivity 3.Job prospects).
The reason why some prestigious unis are underrated is because of the bad research quality.
But this ranking is just a draft version and biased by my view.
So I don't mind if someone arranges it, of course.
I'm just interested in how we're going to conclude this top in the end.

[tentop6521]

Don't you have anything better to do than make up crap???? Go find a hobby

[marksy]

BTW, the following calculation is the basis of the ranking above.

Ranking Score(Research quality+Selectivity+Job prospects)

US
Harvard Yale Princeton Stanford MIT Caltech=5+5+5=15
Columbia UPenn Chicago UCBerkeley=5+4+5=14
Cornell=5+4+4=13
NYU=5+3+5=13
UCLA=5+4+4=13
Northwestern=5+3+4=12
Brown=3+4+4=11
CMU=4+3+4=11
Duke=3+3+4=10
UCSD=4+3+3=10
Wisconsin.M.=4+3+3=10
Michigan-AnnArbor=4+3+3=10
Illinois=4+3+3=10
Texas Austin=4+3+3=10
Dartmouth=2+3+4=9
....
UCSB=3+2+2=7

UK
Cambridge=5+5+5=15
Oxford=5+4+5=14
LSE=5+3+5=13
Imperial=5+3+5=13
UCL=4+2+4=10
Manchester=4+1+4=9
Warwick=3+1+4=8
King's=3+1+4=8
Edinburgh=3+1+3=7

CA
Toronto=5+3+4=12
Mcgill=4+3+4=11
UBC=3+2+3=8
Queen's=2+2+3=7

AU
ANU=4+3+3=10
Sydney=3+2+3=8
Melbourne=3+1+2=6
Queensland=3+1+2=6

S=15 A+=14 A=13,12 A-=11,10 B=9,8 C=7,6

[RabbitCFH]

(Original post by tentop6521)
Don't you have anything better to do than make up crap???? Go find a hobby

STFU.

Thanks for that man, I might find it useful in 2 years.

[hobnob]

Very droll. Or were you actually being serious?

[slylion1]

Another randomer on TSR trying to mask his opinions as objective fact.

[Snookie4President]

This is like asking, "Who was better Michael Jordan or Pelé?"

Absolutely pointless...

[Snookie4President]

Comparability of standards impossible and wrong, Hepi says

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.u...ode=411897&c=1

[hobnob]

(Original post by Snookie4President)
This is like asking, "Who was better Michael Jordan or Pelé?"

Well, they both pale in comparison to Chuck Norris, so I agree that it's a pointless question.

[hobnob]

(Original post by Tarutaru)
Why so many people like posting rubbish here??

Because the idea of comparing graduate 'schools' like this is so ridiculous it's impossible to take it seriously and the method employed here - if you can call it that - is just laughable. I mean just look at the whole '2+3+5=9' business in post #3. So it's probably not a coincidence that the only people who apparently have taken it seriously so far are undergraduates who have presumably got a bit too carried away with the whole league table idea...

[Tarutaru]

(Original post by hobnob)
Because the idea of comparing graduate 'schools' like this is so ridiculous it's impossible to take it seriously and the method employed here - if you can call it that - is just laughable. I mean just look at the whole '2+3+5=9' business in post #3. So it's probably not a coincidence that the only people who apparently have taken it seriously so far are undergraduates who have presumably got a bit too carried away with the whole league table idea...

Hahahahahaha, I didn't expect someone actually responded to my question and particularly a response from a moderator XD XD

Oh, I think you misunderstood to which the word "rubbish" refers.... I totally agree with you.

[Konkun]

marksy's post seems to be pretty much familiar to me LOL.

http://logsoku.com/thread/academy6.2...1237431657/326

He should refer to this table before.

Graduate school ranking 2009'
S HYPS MIT Caltech /Cambridge
----World's best and extreme elite----
A+ Columbia UPenn Chicago UCB /Oxford
A Dartmouth Brown NYU Northwestern UCLA /Imperial LSE/Toronto
A- Cornell Duke CMU Wisconsin.M. Michigan.AnnArbor Illinois UCSD /Macgill
----Uni of Tokyo students should enter above(otherwise they are loser)----
B Washington.St.L. BostonU NotreDame Georgetown JohnsHopkins Rochester BostonU Virginia /Warwick/UBC/Tokyo(Science only)
----Uni of Kyoto/Hitotsubashi/Tokyotech students should enter above(otherwise they are loser)----
C USC Tufts TexasAustin PennState BostonC UNC.CH GIT OSU UCD UCI UCSB /UCL/Queen's/ANU/Kyoto(Science only) Tokyotech
----Waseda/Keio/Kyusyu/Nagoya/Osaka/Hokkaido students should enter above(otherwise they are loser)----

Many Japanese students might see this table before. It's famous ranking on 2 channel, which is a world's largest Internet forum.

[hobnob]

(Original post by Konkun)
marksy's post seems to be pretty much familiar to me LOL.

http://logsoku.com/thread/academy6.2...1237431657/326

He should refer to this table before.

Graduate school ranking 2009'
S HYPS MIT Caltech /Cambridge
----World's best and extreme elite----
A+ Columbia UPenn Chicago UCB /Oxford
A Dartmouth Brown NYU Northwestern UCLA /Imperial LSE/Toronto
A- Cornell Duke CMU Wisconsin.M. Michigan.AnnArbor Illinois UCSD /Macgill
----Uni of Tokyo students should enter above(otherwise they are loser)----
B Washington.St.L. BostonU NotreDame Georgetown JohnsHopkins Rochester BostonU Virginia /Warwick/UBC/Tokyo(Science only)
----Uni of Kyoto/Hitotsubashi/Tokyotech students should enter above(otherwise they are loser)----
C USC Tufts TexasAustin PennState BostonC UNC.CH GIT OSU UCD UCI UCSB /UCL/Queen's/ANU/Kyoto(Science only) Tokyotech
----Waseda/Keio/Kyusyu/Nagoya/Osaka/Hokkaido students should enter above(otherwise they are loser)----

Many Japanese students might see this table before. It's famous ranking on 2 channel, which is a world's largest Internet forum.

It seriously says that?

[Konkun]

(Original post by hobnob)
It seriously says that?

Direct translation is more stronger. It says "The wall between permissible graduate schools and impermissible graduate schools for the students in Uni of ***". It makes sense for us. University hierarchy is very rigorous here. There are less freedom to choose universities and even courses.

Also 2 channellers love exaggerated expressions. For instance, one of the subforum contains such topics now.

"Laugh scornfully about fall of A University"
"B University is a grayback of C University"
"D University>E University>F University>>>G University(LMAO)"
"Why H Universiy is damn stupid but wants to think itself as good as National Seven Universities?"
"History of crime in I University students(Rape/Murder)"

http://gimpo.2ch.net/joke/subback.html

Better universities have less mud & looking down. Most people don't post such spoiled topics. But we are afraid the situation that someone considers our universities in such way. People try to go to better university as much as possible also for their peace of mind.

[Tarutaru]

oh my god............

[hobnob]

(Original post by Konkun)
Direct translation is more stronger. It says "The wall between permissible graduate schools and impermissible graduate schools for the students in Uni of ***". It makes sense for us. University hierarchy is very rigorous here. There are less freedom to choose universities and even courses.

Also 2 channellers love exaggerated expressions. For instance, one of the subforum contains such topics now.

"Laugh scornfully about fall of A University"
"B University is a grayback of C University"
"D University>E University>F University>>>G University(LMAO)"
"Why H Universiy is damn stupid but wants to think itself as good as National Seven Universities?"
"History of crime in I University students(Rape/Murder)"

http://gimpo.2ch.net/joke/subback.html

Better universities have less mud & looking down. Most people don't post such spoiled topics. But we are afraid the situation that someone considers our universities in such way. People try to go to better university as much as possible also for their peace of mind.

Ouch, that sounds like an even more extreme version of GUD.

[Tarutaru]

There is even a topic called "The ranking of universities in 2020" >_<

http://gimpo.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/joke/1271752209/l50

[ritchie888]

(Original post by marksy)
Let's discuss about this exciting topic!

Lol. Riveting, mate!

[Bread and Circlejerks]

5 5 3 2 1

4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 Bletchley

7 [sic] Manchester 4 3 ?

Quality of studying 2.5 3-4 (3) (the Londons)

(New) 2 York 2 (Ontario)

Research disasters per capita: Cambridge, Chicago, Melbourne (no data) (3).

Framingham Framingham Framingham Framingham Framingham Framingham 5

0.

(S)alford.


Thoughts? Opinions?

edit: some of this data may have round errors.

[pharmakos]

The top 20 institutions, according to Essential Science Indicators (January 1, 1999-April 30, 2009), that attracted the highest total citations to their papers published in Thomson Reuters-indexed journals over all 22 fields

The Most-Cited Institutions Overall, 1999-2009
Rank | Institution | Papers | Citations | Citations Per Paper
1 HARVARD UNIV 95,291 2,597,786 27.26
2 MAX PLANCK SOCIETY 69,373 1,366,087 19.69
3 JOHNS HOPKINS UNIV 54,022 1,222,166 22.62
4 UNIV WASHINGTON 54,198 1,147,283 21.17
5 STANFORD UNIV 48,846 1,138,795 23.31

6 UNIV CALIF LOS ANGELES 55,237 1,077,069 19.5
7 UNIV MICHIGAN 54,612 948,621 17.37
8 UNIV CALIF BERKELEY 46,984 945,817 20.13
9 UNIV CALIF SAN FRANCISCO 36,106 939,302 26.02
10 UNIV PENN 46,235 931,399 20.14

11 UNIV TOKYO 68,840 913,896 13.28
12 UNIV CALIF SAN DIEGO 40,789 899,832 22.06
13 UNIV TORONTO 55,163 861,243 15.61
14 UCL 46,882 860,117 18.35
15 COLUMBIA UNIV 43,302 858,073 19.82

16 YALE UNIV 36,857 833,467 22.61
17 MIT 35,247 832,439 23.62
18 UNIV CAMBRIDGE 43,017 811,673 18.87
19 UNIV OXFORD 40,494 766,577 18.93
20 UNIV WISCONSIN 50,016 760,091 15.2

The 22 fields are as follows:

Agricultural Sciences
Biology & Biochemistry
Chemistry
Clinical Medicine
Computer Science
Economics & Business
Engineering
Environment/Ecology
Geosciences
Immunology
Materials Science
Mathematics
Microbiology
Molecular Biology & Genetics
Multidisciplinary
Neuroscience & Behavior
Pharmacology & Toxicology
Physics
Plant & Animal Science
Psychiatry/Psychology
Social Sciences, general
Space Science

http://sciencewatch.com/inter/ins/09/09Top20Overall/