Katie Hopkins' views on universities

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MuseValheru

I agree, there are too many universities and too many students. Degrees have been devalued. We can address the national debt and increase the value of degrees with one stone.

As someone point out on another thread...

Does your degree not differentiate you from the masses? If not, you're part of the devaluation as much as everyone else and shouldn't have been allowed to go to uni. If you can then whats the problem?

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Mechie

Numberone-outkast

What about the people who have gone to "lower" ranked uni's but are doing a course where high grades are needed, e.g. doing pharmacy at portsmouth/hertfordshire the grades required are BBB.

BBB is not high.

Reply 22

hypocriticaljap

What on earth was that stupid bint doing on QT? What qualifies her to have an opinion that's worth a flying f**K about anything? I was totally offended that she was on there unless she was representing the 'total failures' section of the population. Sir Alan branded Hopkins as sad and unemployable and her strategy for success is clearly "shag your way to the top" as a list of who sired her 3 illegitimate children will clearly reveal. She even failed as an MEP candidate and was sacked by the Met office.

Reply 23

MuseValheru

Quady

I dont understand your point.

To clarify my point, there are too many people at university, because of the increased number of graduates compared to 20 years ago, a degree is not as highly valued by society as it was previously.

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username328860

davidmarsh01

BBB is not high.

You kidding me not the best grades but its respectable as there are many courses available in the top 40 uni's that take grades below that for decent courses. with pharmacy the course content is nearly the same in what they teach, hence most uni's across the rankings have the same offer bbb/abb, KCL offer abb for pharmacy, while portsmouth which is ranked alot lower is bbb.

Reply 25

faber niger

MuseValheru

Exactly, so you can't just coast about and expect to get a good job because you're middle-class and went to university. Your degree will stand out if -- and only if -- you do very well, just as it should be! (Indeed, that's how laissez-faire economics is supposed to work, right? Increased competition equalling increased performance.)

Reply 26

MuseValheru

jismith1989

Exactly, so you can't just coast about and expect to get a good job because you're middle-class and went to university. Your degree will stand out if you do very well, exactly as it should be!

That does not help solve the problem of the national debt. I am suggesting that I should be the students at work hard in school and gain good grades, whilst giving back to the community and working part time that get university places. These students are already motivated and have worked hard to get there.

People gaining all Cs and below at A level should not be getting into University initially. If they go out and work and then decide to gain a degree as a mature student thats a different issue. But initially too many people are going to university, this costs the tax payer!

Reply 27

faber niger

MuseValheru

As one of those who coasted through school (and am now on target for a first-class classics degree), I disagree. :biggrin:

Reply 28

MuseValheru

jismith1989

As one of those who coasted through school (and am now on target for a first-class classics degree), I disagree. :biggrin:

What is your degree in? and where are you studying?

Reply 29

faber niger

MuseValheru

What is your degree in? and where are you studying?

Classics (i.e. Greek and Latin, neither of which I'd studied before starting) at Manchester (cf. my response to the guy who wanted to blow it up on the previous page :p:

); the entrance requirements were ABB, which I scraped (largely in, might I add, subjects which authoritarians might describe as 'soft').

Reply 30

ByronicHero

Installation

Those people probably aren't in parliament.

And perhaps, yup.

Thankfully.

Reply 31

username328860

jismith1989

As one of those who coasted through school (and am now on target for a first-class classics degree), I disagree. :biggrin:

Awesome, people think if you go to low ranked uni and another person goes to high rank uni life is over well its not. My mate went to staffordshire uni to do computer science and got a job within 6 weeks and is doing quite well at work, while another mate of mine went to loughborough to do the same course and hasnt been able to find a job. Just becuase you get low grades at alevel that doesnt mean you should just pack up your life and move along, just ridiculous.

Who gives a **** what that bitch katie thinks.

Reply 32

MuseValheru

jismith1989

Classics (i.e. Greek and Latin, neither of which I'd studied before starting) at Manchester (cf. my response to the guy who wanted to blow it up on the previous page :p:

); the entrance requirements were ABB, which I scraped.

I am not suggesting that people who gain reasonable grades of ABB should not get the opportunity to compete for a place at university I am saying that a degree from Manchester can be compared to a degree at Oxford, Cambridge, Winchester and Leeds and many others.

Why not have specialist centres where more resources are available. I hope you do gain a first but who is to say that a 2:2 would not set you up better if you had had more resources available to you during the past 3 years at a better university?

Reply 33

faber niger

MuseValheru

**** off.

No one can say what might have happened: hypothesizing about infinite numbers of alternate universes is useless. I deeply disagree with the fact that a 2.2 from a better (however defined) university would be better than a first from Manchester (a Russell group university, though I also respect most institutions). I could get accepted for a postgraduate degree at Cambridge, for example, whereas a Cambridge graduate with a 2.2 wouldn't even be able to apply. :rolleyes:

To see such things in monochrome is silly anyway -- there's more variation within most univesities than between. :wink:

Reply 34

skunky x

I agree, but not to such an extent as the OP suggested.

I think it's more this ideology that you need to go to uni to get a decent job, and so we need to sort that, then get rid of the ridiculous courses such as Golf Course Management, and then see which universities are financially viable, and close down the ones that aren't.

Luckily my mother isn't on this debate. She believes that only the top 10% of students should be allowed to go to university. And I have no idea whether that would include me or not, but I can't imagine it would. She's weird though.

And to whoever said BBB wasn't high, they need to get out of the GCSE mindset where a C is seen as the bare minimum.

Reply 35

imwan

I disagree with closing down of the lower ranked universities. I have been reading such threads again and again on TSR lately. I am an international student. The fees for international students is very high in UK. It starts from 8000 Pounds and go up to 26000 Pounds a year. The lower ranked universities, so called Polytechnic, have low tuition fees for international students and these are the universities which attract international students. Unless you dont get scholarships from Top universities, Majority of the International students tend to go to lower ranked universities. The fees that international students pay helps UK economy!
My fees for MSc is 9000 Pounds a year. I will be doing it from ex-poly. If i do the same course from Imperial College London then my fees will be 20000 Pounds! which is a hell lot!! I completed my BSc with upper 2:1, so getting into a prestigious university would not have been an issue for me but fees is definitely an issue. If lower ranked universities are closed, then UK will lose a considerable amount of international students, which again is a loss to UK economy.

Reply 36

username328860

skunky x

I fully agree, courses like clipboard management (doesnt exist really lol), should be scrapped. the person who said BBB is low is just a stuck up person, who doesnt even do a-levels but highers.

Reply 37

Quady

skunky x

then get rid of the ridiculous courses such as Golf Course Management, and then see which universities are financially viable, and close down the ones that aren't.

Any evidence that Ancient History is more financially viable than Golf Course Management? Or is that just an unsupported assumption?

For example the much derided Surf Science gets plenty of funding from the private sector and employment is going well:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/8259015.stm

Reply 38

hardy_4_paws

jismith1989

**** off.

To see such things in monochrome is silly anyway -- there's more variation within most univesities than between. :wink:

I agree with you Manchester IS a good university and has some of the highest graduate job prospects in the country its just because it went through that merge that it is now not doing as well in rankings but give it more time to work through the kinks and it will! It is a good uni!

Reply 39

JW92

I've said this on here before, and the polys do serve a purpose for mature students and for specialised vocational courses.

But I agree that there are definitely pointless courses at subpar universities and to argue otherwise is a joke. It is beyond me why very few people are willing to offer the idea that when cuts need to come, they should come at the bottom, not at Britain's elite institutions.