[amg_22]

What's everyone's favourite book of the series??

[Raducan]

I really can't stand Yara, I actually look forward to her being killed more than him. She's such a bitch!

[Kenan and Kel]

(Original post by TomDixie)
And ultimately the rightful King, obviously forgetting the Targaryens

I'm all for Stannis to be honest.

It seems for now that it's gonna end up being a three-way battle between the Lannisters, Starks and Dragons.

Stannis is my guy! I guess if he dies, Robert Baratheon's bastard son (that was chilling with Arya a few episodes ago) is the rightful King?

But really, I'd be happy with Stannis as King because he is a BEAST.

[Kaiser MacCleg]

(Original post by amg_22)
What's everyone's favourite book of the series??

Not really sure to be honest. Either Clash or Storm (both bits). Then it all starts going downhill...

[ALazyThracian]

Right before everyone kills me hear me out...

Stannis is BEAST in blackwater like i posted before i was shouting at my TV from pure amazement, BUT im a stark supporter if ONLY stannis would allow rob to be "king of the north" it would make everything amazing

[Kenan and Kel]

[ALazyThracian]

(Original post by Kenan and Kel)

I like how the wildfire has the same green glow as the Dead Men of Dunharrow (Ghost army) Made from the same epicness?

[Norton1]

(Original post by Kenan and Kel)
It seems for now that it's gonna end up being a three-way battle between the Lannisters, Starks and Dragons.

Stannis is my guy! I guess if he dies, Robert Baratheon's bastard son (that was chilling with Arya a few episodes ago) is the rightful King?

But really, I'd be happy with Stannis as King because he is a BEAST.

Gendry? Nah, as someone said above bastards can't inherit.

[Kenan and Kel]

(Original post by ALazyThracian)
I like how the wildfire has the same green glow as the Dead Men of Dunharrow (Ghost army) Made from the same epicness?

Haha I reckon the green glow of the wildfire was more epic; GoT 1-0 LotR

[Kenan and Kel]

(Original post by Norton1)
Gendry? Nah, as someone said above bastards can't inherit.

So if Stannis is killed, Joffrey is a rightful King?

[Norton1]

(Original post by Kenan and Kel)
So if Stannis is killed, Joffrey is a rightful King?

Joffrey is a bastard so no. (that's what Stannis' entire claim rests on)

If we want to be pedantic there is a rightful Queen in the form of Daenerys. If it's assumed that Joffrey and his siblings are gone along with all the Baratheons then no one has any greater claim than anyone else.

[Hopple]

(Original post by Kenan and Kel)
So if Stannis is killed, Joffrey is a rightful King?

(Original post by Norton1)
Joffrey is a bastard so no. (that's what Stannis' entire claim rests on)

Forget being a bastard, Stannis claims that Joffrey isn't related to Robert at all.

If we want to be pedantic there is a rightful Queen in the form of Daenerys. If it's assumed that Joffrey and his siblings are gone along with all the Baratheons then no one has any greater claim than anyone else.

With Robert's 'children' (Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen) gone, it goes to his brother Stannis, and then Stannis' children (haven't met Shireen yet). After that I imagine it'd be a free for all since you'd be putting a bastard/potential imposter on the throne and due to the instability you'd get an even bigger war. Daenerys has no right because of the death of house Baratheon, her right comes from being the last known surviving Targaryen in line prior to Robert beating Aerys.

[Norton1]

(Original post by Hopple)
Forget being a bastard, Stannis claims that Joffrey isn't related to Robert at all.


With Robert's 'children' (Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen) gone, it goes to his brother Stannis, and then Stannis' children (haven't met Shireen yet). After that I imagine it'd be a free for all since you'd be putting a bastard/potential imposter on the throne and due to the instability you'd get an even bigger war. Daenerys has no right because of the death of house Baratheon, her right comes from being the last known surviving Targaryen in line prior to Robert beating Aerys.

Joffrey is referred to as a bastard multiple times. Jaime and Cersei's bastard. ('bastard born of incest' is - I think - the phrase that is used)

I maybe didn't phrase it well but I meant that Daenerys is rightful queen despite what goes on in Westeros.

Also, if Daenerys, Lannisters and Baratheons are taken out you have to imagine the Tyrrel's would take the throne.

[Some random guy]

(Original post by Hopple)
In that case he's dead anyway, no need to poison him

But Stannis would kill Joffrey for posing as king, and killing all his brother's children (he's also got to hunt down Myrcella) to become king isn't something in his character and actually likely to push away any support he might have. Plus, Tommen's a good way to ensure the Lannisters' support if he didn't want the money

No Tommen would be dead meat because:

1. He is a bastard born of incest and the Lord of Light requires that such people burn.

2. He is a threat to Stannis' claim as King for as long as he lived.

Cersei was going to poison him because she didn't want him to die at the hands of Stannis, it makes perfect sense.

[Hopple]

(Original post by Norton1)
Joffrey is referred to as a bastard multiple times. Jaime and Cersei's bastard. ('bastard born of incest' is - I think - the phrase that is used)

I maybe didn't phrase it well but I meant that Daenerys is rightful queen despite what goes on in Westeros.

He is a bastard, but the fact that Joffrey isn't related to Robert at all is the real reason he can't be king. Stannis puts it all out there in order to be more credible - he can't just say "Joffrey isn't Robert's", better to detail it with "Joffrey is Jaime's son, look what a disgusting incestuous abomination those Lannisters caused, help me beat the crap out of them! Oh, and did I mention that makes Joffrey a bastard too? RAAAAAGE!"

Bear in mind the Lannisters were hunting down Robert's bastards because they might have a claim that people against the Lannisters could rally behind.

Yeah, Daenerys has the 'right', though it's messy

[Hopple]

(Original post by Some random guy)
No Tommen would be dead meat because:

1. He is a bastard born of incest and the Lord of Light requires that such people burn.

2. He is a threat to Stannis' claim as King for as long as he lived.

Cersei was going to poison him because she didn't want him to die at the hands of Stannis, it makes perfect sense.

1. Really? I don't remember Stannis running around burning bastards. Heck, half his army are probably bastards.

2. Not if he convinces the people who matter that Tommen isn't Robert's son. And let's face it, that isn't difficult, though their loyalties may stay with the Lannisters (but that would happen anyway).

[Some random guy]

This right stuff is all nonsense. There is only one right that matters, and that is the right of might. That's what decides who becomes King.

[Some random guy]

(Original post by Hopple)
1. Really? I don't remember Stannis running around burning bastards. Heck, half his army are probably bastards.

2. Not if he convinces the people who matter that Tommen isn't Robert's son. And let's face it, that isn't difficult, though their loyalties may stay with the Lannisters (but that would happen anyway).

1. It will happen later, if you've read the books then you'd know.

2. He has no proof and not everyone would believe him. People who favour Tommen will support Tommen regardless.

[Hopple]

(Original post by Some random guy)
1. It will happen later, if you've read the books then you'd know.

Later

He doesn't burn Jon Where does he burn someone for being a bastard?

2. He has no proof and not everyone would believe him. People who favour Tommen will support Tommen regardless.

Indeed, but killing Tommen won't stop those who would have supported him anyway. If anything, they'll be extra pissed that 'their' king was killed. Stannis would have kept Tommen hostage to ensure Tywin behaved, though perhaps Cersei would rather he be dead than that

[Norton1]

(Original post by Some random guy)
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Spoiler the first one!