Do you think Unis let in too many international students?

And again according to Unistats (believe it if you choose) Oxford admits 3% of applicants with 319 UCAS points of lower, which I believe is below AAB...

D you think I am an Oxbridge basher?

Once again, it would really help if you could refer to actual numbers rather than percentages - which is one of the major downsides of Unistats in my opinion, as it doesn't even tell you whether those percentages are rounded up or down (which they most likely are). In actual numbers, "3%" means 70-80 students, i.e. two or three students per college who were either mature post-qualifications applicants or missed their offers and had extenuating circumstances. Which isn't really a big deal if you think about it, so why are you so determined to make it one?

Is that an unreasonable conclusion?

WOuld you take umbrage if I called you an Oxbridge fan boy?

I just want to know everyone's opinions on this... I'm not a racist or xenophobic in any way, I just think that especially as funding and places are being cut due to the economic climate- don't you think (in a kind of act of protectionism) that Unis should place a lower cap on international students and favour domestic students who have lived and studied all their lives in the UK and whose parents have paid taxes in the process?

Or is it all about the extra funding for the universities now, due to the economy, and they are trading off domestic based students in favour of the higher paying internationals?Arguably favouring international students of equal academic ability over home based students due to this? Is this right?

I just think that this year a record number of students haven't got into their univeristy of preference due to increased competition from both home and abroad, and that the government should always favour the domestic students for a better trained work force.This an also be loosely seen as an act of gratitude for their parents' net contrbutions to the country, which will outweigh any tuition fee that an international student will pay.

Anyway, your views and opinions?

Haha are you seriously talking about international students and funding?!!!

I paid 20,000 pounds this year! Brought that into YOUR economy from my country and likely funded a good amount of things provided to local students with that. We BRING money and MAKE places for you. Cut international spots and you're the one suffering

I am not determined to make it one, but simply point out, though rare these cases exist. The fact that they maybe mature post-qualification applicants (again where is the proof and only speculation) or ones with extenuating circumstances is irrelevant, the fact is that they are there.

If you look at statistics from oxford (http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate_courses/how_to_apply/admissions_statistics/index.html) you'll find this screen:



That percentage has to do with weird valuations for alternative qualifications and not with oxford being lenient.

EDIT: Whoah, look at how many IB candidates missed their offer. 20%+ compared to less than 10% for A-level candidates.

International students pay much higher tuition fees than we do though.

I thought if you stay in this country for 3 or more years then they pay the same amount as us. I read that somehere

You need to have "indefinite leave to remain" and you must have been ordinarily resident for 3 years before the start of the course within the EU.

I thought if you stay in this country for 3 or more years then they pay the same amount as us. I read that somehere

i think that international student places should be cut, even more so than domestic students.

1. because half the students that come in dont even study they get most of there work done illegally by getting someone from back home to do it.

2. most of the students that come along that complete thier studies if thats what you can call it do so to later on work on thier abilites to gain permenant residence here.

3. look at how many bogus colleges and patnership universites have been busted by the home office. im sure that these institutions that add to the number of student places available. i believe that if the goverment wants to reduce university places then they should do by closing these partnership colleges that are mainly designed for bogus students.

4. and most of these bogus students are from asia (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh) trust me i know because 1 i lived with a group as they were my house mates and 2 because i've seen many plaegerism cases turn up at my univeristy regarding these international students.

oh and one more thing allot of students that come to study dont even have the requirements listed by the home office to study here. how they get in is by cheating the system getting someone else to make there papers for them. and the universites are so greedy they dont give a damn about that they would rather have the money then check if the candidate is fit to study.
this year i bumped into a student that couldnt even speak a word of english yet he was at university studying buisness management! how did he even get a place the guy cannot speak english!!!!

i'm not racist as i'm asian myself but i believe the goverment are doing all the wrong things.

OK, then, so where is your proof that they're ill-qualified idiots who didn't deserve their places just as much as the people who were admitted after achieving the standard three As or more?
Actually you can tell to some extent, because Oxford's statistics - unlike your beloved Unistats statistics - tell you how many of the people admitted with a certain number of UCAS points applied post-qualifications. But those statistics might be wrong, because Oxford may have an agenda - ohnoez.
Seriously, I don't know how you got the impression that people were trying to deny that this happens at all. Of course it does, and why shouldn't it? You're having an argument with your own little straw man here.

Is it? Out of an intake of nearly 3,000 students? And what exactly do international students have to do with this?

Right. And who says that UCAS tariff points are a foolproof way of determining ability in an objective manner? "Most people"?

I do agree with you .I mean us British should at least get prioritised over international students. I know they do bring in alot of money but its not our fault there country couldnt provide them with a good university education.

I always thought universities received the same amount per student and the only difference was that international students pay for the entire thing themselves rather than get subsidy from the government?

If it is the case that international students bring the universities more money then it is EU students we need to cap. They are treated like home students, pay the same fees (cost the government the same amount in subsidy) and bring no advantage other than cultural diversity. Apply everything in your argument except finance to this and it paints a pretty picture.