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The vast majority of finance jobs require good communication skills and a sharp brain: they don't require degree level maths, which is why LSE does better in terms of graduate employment than Imperial since both have the same calibre of students.
By the way only 57% of Imperial MSc Finance graduates have a job after graduation which is pathetic for the 27 k tuition fee.
megaduck
You're so full of it! You pick a course out of you head just assuming its entry requirements are low and then look a tool when it transpires they're not (and they are, in fact, the same as the entry requirments for several Imperial courses). You compare LSE and Imperial as though they're doing the same thing when they have different specialisms. You talk as if everyone automatically puts Imperial and Oxbridge on a par when the only people who do that are Imperial grads. You claim Imperial has a higher calibre of student when there's nothing in it. You talk as if going to Imperial automatically confers some immense prestige on a person and is evidence of triumph over the greatest academic odds, when in fact most science courses are less competitive to get onto than many arts courses and people who've got into, say, English or History at top unis have done so in the face of much stiffer competition than the engineering of computer science entrants.

You look kind of desperate. Imperial's a great uni and doesn't need the defence of people with massive chips on thier shoulders and a lot of misinformation and prejudice at their fingertips.

OP, reputationally-speaking there's very little in it. You should go with the institution and course you are most attracted to - either will be an amazing basis for your career.

How many universities have ever had an average UCAS tariff above 500?

People have to defend Imperial because idiots like you dont hear it mentioned in every bond film and think its got the same student calibre as LSE.............. errr you do know LSE teaches sociology and management???

Imperial IS better than LSE or Warwick, because most of the subjects at Imperial produce exceptionally high calbibre graduates. You going to tell me Warwick's french graduates are amazingly high-calibre? How about LSE's sociology graduates? How about Warwick's English graduates? Warwick's sociology graduates?

Im not JUST defending Imperial, ive quite clearly said Warwick has 3 main courses which are as amazing as Oxbridge and Imperial's: Maths, Economics and CS. LSE has it's economics.
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billydisco
How many universities have ever had an average UCAS tariff above 500?

People have to defend Imperial because idiots like you dont hear it mentioned in every bond film and think its got the same student calibre as LSE.............. errr you do know LSE teaches sociology and management???

Imperial IS better than LSE or Warwick, because most of the subjects at Imperial produce exceptionally high calbibre graduates. You going to tell me Warwick's french graduates are amazingly high-calibre? How about LSE's sociology graduates? How about Warwick's English graduates? Warwick's sociology graduates?

Im not JUST defending Imperial, quite clearly said Warwick has 3 main courses which are as amazing as Oxbridge and Imperial's: Maths, Economics and CS. LSE has it's economics.



Bond films? What are you talking about, you muppet?

You obviously have a thing about Imperial. Each to their own and all that. But I don't think Imperial needs champions like you, who seem to be of the opinion that a fraction of an A-level grade difference means the calibre of their students is on a different plane. Of course, if you want to play that game go ahead, but you'll have to accept that Warwick's Physicists (average points 486) are of a higher calibre than Imperial's biologists (average 450), or that those Warwick English or French students you dismiss (average 465 and 462 respectively) are better than Imperial's Computer Scientists (average 460). But what a stupid, reductive, infantile game that is.

Really, grow up. The UK has some amazing unis at the top end and it just looks lame when people play the my-uni's-better-than-yours game (I know, I've done it :smile: ) Talk to academics and they will have respect and admiration for their peers in other institutions rather than trying to do them down. If you have enough confidence in yourself and your institution you don't need to big it up at others' expense.
Reply 64
megaduck
Bond films? What are you talking about, you muppet?


**** knows.

He's a deluded idiot.
Reply 65
billydisco
How many universities have ever had an average UCAS tariff above 500?

People have to defend Imperial because idiots like you dont hear it mentioned in every bond film and think its got the same student calibre as LSE.............. errr you do know LSE teaches sociology and management???

Imperial IS better than LSE or Warwick, because most of the subjects at Imperial produce exceptionally high calbibre graduates. You going to tell me Warwick's french graduates are amazingly high-calibre? How about LSE's sociology graduates? How about Warwick's English graduates? Warwick's sociology graduates?

Im not JUST defending Imperial, ive quite clearly said Warwick has 3 main courses which are as amazing as Oxbridge and Imperial's: Maths, Economics and CS. LSE has it's economics.


:confused:

**** Imperial mathematics!!
cambio wechsel
The league tables have different metrics and serve different purposes. As another poster said, the Guardian's table can be understood largely as a Student Experience table. It'd be a brilliant card to have up your sleeve if someone said "Imperial students rate their courses and university experience more highly than do students at Warwick", then. It's hardly following-suit if the point at issue is that of which has the higher international profile*.



*It is Imperial.


OP never said anything about which had the higher international profile though, someone else just brought that up. For all we know, OP intents to only work in England in the future, in which case, Warwick is a well known and respected university.
Focus08
:confused:

**** Imperial mathematics!!

Read it again, the ':' is referring to the three warwick subjects. Imperial doesnt do economics!
Reply 68
billydisco,

if you attend UCL why are you such a fanboy for Imperial which is no longer a U of L university?
AfghanistanBananistan
LSE is more famous and we all know that nowadays popularilty is half the battle in life.

The difference in entry standards is never more than 10 points and often less than 5 (in fact LSE always beat Imperial for entry standards upto 4 years ago). A-levels work in differences of 20's, so if Imperial has 489 and LSE has 484 (according to the stats im looking at now), both their students have over AAAA at A-level.

It has been categorically stated that sciences are not harder than everything else, or more respected.

Finally, i find it quite remarkable that LSE often beats Imperial in employmet rankings, both domestically and internationally. Bearing in mind that science grads tend to be more 'employable' compared to say history or sociology, it is a credit to LSE that it has the best employment prospects even though it teaches just the social sciences. Afterall, LSE has always been in the top 5 universities in the worl for employability according to the THES world ranking. Suffice to say Imperial has not.

What exactly are you smoking?

1) Since when does LSE beat Imperial in employment rankings? Are we including the McDonalds' jobs your sociology graduates take up? Imperial had the highest employment rate this year, kinda wipes out your argument.

2) 'Always..... up until 4 years ago', ok so for the last 4 years you've had lower entrance requirements???

3) Since when did science pay well? Thriving science industry have we?

4) Considering how many apply for IB from LSE, i would expect LSE's average salary to be around 40k, not 26k....

5) More famous? Erm, Manchester is more famous than Imperial in the US, you suggesting that means Manchester is better?

6) LSE is only famous in IB, face it. Imperial is famous in IB, engineering, medicine, pretty much all walks of life!

7) Your research is pathetically useless! Seriously want to even try and compare the usefulness of LSEs research against Imperial's?

8) Sciences not harder? So how exactly do 88% of LSE get a 1st or 2.1 and Imperial 72%, when Imperial's entrance requirements are higher? Likewise why do more Oxford (specialises in arts) students get 1sts or 2.1s than Cambridge (better for science) ??

9) THES rankings.... Imperial came 5th.....where did LSE come, 20th or 30th?
roginho
**** knows.

He's a deluded idiot.

Im a deluded idiot?

More like you're thick as ****......

You telling me Oxbridge's reputation is not reinforced by the media? I guess the fact that UCAS separates Oxbridge's application deadlines from the others has no bearing on its reputation..... :rolleyes:

I feel sorry for all those US universities who pay film producers to mention their universities, i guess its all just a waste of money eh? :wink:
megaduck
Bond films? What are you talking about, you muppet?

Go on then, just so we're clear..... Oxbridge constantly being mentioned in the media, having tuition interview books written, websites devoted etc.... doesnt add to their reputation? I guess the fact that half of the media went there doesnt make articles about them bias??


megaduck
or that those Warwick English or French students you dismiss (average 465 and 462 respectively) are better than Imperial's Computer Scientists (average 460)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/table/2010/jun/04/university-guide-computer-sciences-and-it

You mean '507'?

megaduck
Really, grow up. The UK has some amazing unis at the top end and it just looks lame when people play the my-uni's-better-than-yours game (I know, I've done it :smile: ) Talk to academics and they will have respect and admiration for their peers in other institutions rather than trying to do them down. If you have enough confidence in yourself and your institution you don't need to big it up at others' expense.

Errrrr........... i'm not doing this for Imperial's sake, im doing it for the 18yr olds who will come on TSR, reading you saying Warwick and Imperial are pretty much even and then make a decision based on a wrong fact.

If you want to say there's no difference between Warwick and Imperial, then you have to say there's no difference between the calibre of student between Imperial and Oxbridge.... it's as simple as that!
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billydisco
Go on then, just so we're clear..... Oxbridge constantly being mentioned in the media, having tuition interview books written, websites devoted etc.... doesnt add to their reputation? I guess the fact that half of the media went there doesnt make articles about them bias??



http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/table/2010/jun/04/university-guide-computer-sciences-and-it

You mean '507'?


Errrrr........... i'm not doing this for Imperial's sake, im doing it for the 18yr olds who will come on TSR, reading you saying Warwick and Imperial are pretty much even and then make a decision based on a wrong fact.

If you want to say there's no difference between Warwick and Imperial, then you have to say there's no difference between the calibre of student between Imperial and Oxbridge.... it's as simple as that!


People pick unis for different reasons, if they like London then they will choose Imperial, LSE, KCL, UCL, QMUL, SOAS, if they like the provinces they will choose Cambridge, Oxford, Durham, B'Ham, Notts or Bristol to name a few, there is very little in between them if you are talking teaching quality... if you are talking reputation and prestige now that is a different story.. Oxbridge for whatever reasons (austerity) will always be in a class by itself. with all others mentioned trailing behind, no matter what the league tables or admissions tariffs may say.

Businesses (law firms, IB, etc) might rank them differently depending on their criteria, but Oxbridge will still come out in the top three (if they compete in that arena)... it is the way it is...

Plus you never answered my question, why such a fanboy of Imperial, when you attended/attend UCL
Reply 73
Warwick is an ex-poly, so I would say go for Imperial.
Reply 74
Teveth
Warwick is an ex-poly, so I would say go for Imperial.


Warwick is not an ex-poly (according to Wiki), and where do you attend uni?
vnupe
billydisco,

if you attend UCL why are you such a fanboy for Imperial which is no longer a U of L university?

probably "aspires" to do a masters there lol...
Everybody else says the world is round and billydisco is one of those who says it is flat.

Regardless of what he thinks, the fact that everyone else thinks that LSE is better means that it is better because all notions of good and bad are human constructs. Imperial may be better, but no one thinks so it has a real problem as an institution and clerly needs to market itself better. Hull may be better than Bristol for things but no one thinks it is, so it matters didily squat that it is better if no one knows it is.

It is stupid to think that LSE has more famous grads just because of what it teaches. There is a plethora of famous scientists in the world and on TV yet none of them come from Imperial. Every big tech firm has a CEO yet none of them came from Imperial (Nottingham for example has more CEO's). MIT has many many famous alumni so why doesn't imperial. Face it billydisco, LSE has produced more world leaders than any other university bar Oxford and Harvard (according to Wiki stats), and it is not just known for IB where it is really strong. It has to be doing something right that it excels more in its field than Imperial both for research and alumni, not to mention that world employers rate it higher than imperial (THES ranking).

Yale and Harvard state that their aim is to educate future leaders and those who contribute to society and use their degrees to help others. LSE had produced more people who have become leaders and notable throughout the world and have thus achieved more and contributed more to the world than Imperial. Imperial may have created some scientific things but others would also have created the same thing at some point and it does not have a monopoly on inventions and falls far behind the US on this. On the other hand, great world leaders and those that have changed society (think JFK) are unique and their education contributed to who they are.

Just think, the next labour leader and perhaps PM (Ed Miliband) may be an LSE alumnus and he would have a greater impact on this country than some random Imperial scientists. LSE is the 2nd most represented Uni in Obama's administration and he is the most powerful man in the world and these advisors have far more power over peoples lives than Imperial grads.

Billy disco should look at College Confidential.com where US students compare US and UK uni's. LSE is regarded as elite, eps in New York high circles and LSE alumni even gain exclusive membership of the Harvard and Princeton clubs in New York. Imperial is not even heard of and in the new world of globalisation and high tuition fees i would far rather have a degree that it world famous than one that is only famous in GB.

Again, everyone says the world is round and billydisco still says it is flat.
Reply 77
billydisco
What exactly are you smoking?

1) Since when does LSE beat Imperial in employment rankings? Are we including the McDonalds' jobs your sociology graduates take up? Imperial had the highest employment rate this year, kinda wipes out your argument.



What about the ecology, zoology, geology grads?

I'm sure they are making $$$... :wink:
Focus08
What about the ecology, zoology, geology grads?

I'm sure they are making $$$... :wink:


You can make good money in the energy industry with at least 2 of those degrees.
AfghanistanBananistan
Every big tech firm has a CEO yet none of them came from Imperial (Nottingham for example has more CEO's). MIT has many many famous alumni so why doesn't imperial. Face it billydisco, LSE has produced more world leaders than any other university bar Oxford and Harvard

There's so many flaws in what you say i'd be here all day replying, so i'll point out the most obvious.

1) If LSE is so amazing, why are ALL your leaders foreign? ie why has no British Prime Minister graduated from LSE? My point is that you have structural global reputation, ie LSE are a bit like Nike, everyone knows your name, but you're actually of crap quality....

Another example St Andrews is regarded UBER amazing in the US, yet it isn't in the UK, LSE is similar- the only place you're UBER amazing is in IB and even for that you're not that good when we compare how many LSE grads apply for FO.

Also, to rip your argument to pieces, what are leaders more likely to study, politcs/economics or engineering? :wink:

2) Imperial Industrial Alumni:

Michael Birch (Founder of Bebo)
Chew Choon Seng (CEO of Singapore Airlines)
Iain Conn (Group Managing Director of BP)
Michael Cowpland (founder of Corel)
Chris Delay, Mark Morris and Thomas Arundel, who formed game developer Introversion Software
Keith Duckworth (Founder of Cosworth Engineering)
Colin Dyer (CEO of Jones Lang LaSalle)
Koh Boon Hwee (Chairman of DBS Bank, Singapore)
Leslie Hudson (CEO of DOV Pharmaceutical)
Danny Lui (founder of Lenovo)
John Manzoni (Group Managing Director of BP)
Derek Pannell (CEO of Noranda)
Rahul Patel (C.E.O Rushi-Vihar group)
David Potter (founder and Chairman of Psion, Chairman of Symbian)
Leo Quinn (CEO of Qinetiq)
Sir Ralph Robins (CEO of Rolls-Royce)

so Imperial have no CEOs? :rolleyes:

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