Vac Schemes 2011: Because when you're a lawyer it's never too early!
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QBC123
This website is amazing- eve was kind enough to give it to me a couple of days ago and it's been amazingly helpful so make sure you check it out!
Eve: Any idea when they will publish the updated 'true story' for each of the firms? It seems they ones on the site currently are from Summer 2009?
Eve: Any idea when they will publish the updated 'true story' for each of the firms? It seems they ones on the site currently are from Summer 2009?
The new edition of the 'true picture' always gets published in mid-October. They then do the rounds handing it out at law fairs.
Their newsletter is worth signing up for. http://www.chambersstudent.co.uk/Register.aspx
oo advice for me too? although i doubt il want to hear it 
I am currently undertaking a mini pupillage and I am loving it, but not as much as I enjoyed visiting the city law firms. I went to Baker and Mackenzie, CMS, Allen and Overy and Slaughter and May, and I just felt that was where i wanted to be.
I met graduate recruiters and tried to make an impression on them (i admit the recruiter from s&m is scary, but i think its an act! i got in the lift with her and she was chatting to me much more informally) but i fear my academics are not up to scratch.
First year results horrified me, I knew I wouldnt achieve my best (my dad was diagnosed with terminal cancer a month before i started my llb) so i organised mitigating circumstances in the case i failed, but what instead has happened is i appear to have scrapped through on a pass but not enough to be good but then not bad enough to retake!
I would rather have sat it again in late august as my dads op was right at exam time, so the chance to sit it again without that to deal with would have so much better, but instead I got 58 contract, 50 public law, 46 in crim and 68 in property, equating to an average of 55.5
what to do?!
its going to look dreadful on any vac schemes applications and im just so lost about what to do
I am currently undertaking a mini pupillage and I am loving it, but not as much as I enjoyed visiting the city law firms. I went to Baker and Mackenzie, CMS, Allen and Overy and Slaughter and May, and I just felt that was where i wanted to be.
I met graduate recruiters and tried to make an impression on them (i admit the recruiter from s&m is scary, but i think its an act! i got in the lift with her and she was chatting to me much more informally) but i fear my academics are not up to scratch.
First year results horrified me, I knew I wouldnt achieve my best (my dad was diagnosed with terminal cancer a month before i started my llb) so i organised mitigating circumstances in the case i failed, but what instead has happened is i appear to have scrapped through on a pass but not enough to be good but then not bad enough to retake!
I would rather have sat it again in late august as my dads op was right at exam time, so the chance to sit it again without that to deal with would have so much better, but instead I got 58 contract, 50 public law, 46 in crim and 68 in property, equating to an average of 55.5
what to do?!
its going to look dreadful on any vac schemes applications and im just so lost about what to do
midnightstar44
oo advice for me too? although i doubt il want to hear it
I am currently undertaking a mini pupillage and I am loving it, but not as much as I enjoyed visiting the city law firms. I went to Baker and Mackenzie, CMS, Allen and Overy and Slaughter and May, and I just felt that was where i wanted to be.
I met graduate recruiters and tried to make an impression on them (i admit the recruiter from s&m is scary, but i think its an act! i got in the lift with her and she was chatting to me much more informally) but i fear my academics are not up to scratch.
First year results horrified me, I knew I wouldnt achieve my best (my dad was diagnosed with terminal cancer a month before i started my llb) so i organised mitigating circumstances in the case i failed, but what instead has happened is i appear to have scrapped through on a pass but not enough to be good but then not bad enough to retake!
I would rather have sat it again in late august as my dads op was right at exam time, so the chance to sit it again without that to deal with would have so much better, but instead I got 58 contract, 50 public law, 46 in crim and 68 in property, equating to an average of 55.5
what to do?!
its going to look dreadful on any vac schemes applications and im just so lost about what to do
I am currently undertaking a mini pupillage and I am loving it, but not as much as I enjoyed visiting the city law firms. I went to Baker and Mackenzie, CMS, Allen and Overy and Slaughter and May, and I just felt that was where i wanted to be.
I met graduate recruiters and tried to make an impression on them (i admit the recruiter from s&m is scary, but i think its an act! i got in the lift with her and she was chatting to me much more informally) but i fear my academics are not up to scratch.
First year results horrified me, I knew I wouldnt achieve my best (my dad was diagnosed with terminal cancer a month before i started my llb) so i organised mitigating circumstances in the case i failed, but what instead has happened is i appear to have scrapped through on a pass but not enough to be good but then not bad enough to retake!
I would rather have sat it again in late august as my dads op was right at exam time, so the chance to sit it again without that to deal with would have so much better, but instead I got 58 contract, 50 public law, 46 in crim and 68 in property, equating to an average of 55.5
what to do?!
its going to look dreadful on any vac schemes applications and im just so lost about what to do
They are good/average marks for a 1st year (I'm sorry to be so blunt but VC's/TC's are a competitive area. However, one should aim a lot higher in 2nd year and try to aim much much higher!
Don't let having a 2:2 scare you in anyway in applying to London firms. Your extracurriculars may put you ahead of those whom scored a first - in terms of the impression left on the HR people.
Overall - don't despair - get your applications in and aim to do as many "CV boosting things" this summer as possible.
Feel free to PM me for any other info... Hopefully your father is ok now!
midnightstar44
oo advice for me too? although i doubt il want to hear it
I am currently undertaking a mini pupillage and I am loving it, but not as much as I enjoyed visiting the city law firms. I went to Baker and Mackenzie, CMS, Allen and Overy and Slaughter and May, and I just felt that was where i wanted to be.
I met graduate recruiters and tried to make an impression on them (i admit the recruiter from s&m is scary, but i think its an act! i got in the lift with her and she was chatting to me much more informally) but i fear my academics are not up to scratch.
First year results horrified me, I knew I wouldnt achieve my best (my dad was diagnosed with terminal cancer a month before i started my llb) so i organised mitigating circumstances in the case i failed, but what instead has happened is i appear to have scrapped through on a pass but not enough to be good but then not bad enough to retake!
I would rather have sat it again in late august as my dads op was right at exam time, so the chance to sit it again without that to deal with would have so much better, but instead I got 58 contract, 50 public law, 46 in crim and 68 in property, equating to an average of 55.5
what to do?!
its going to look dreadful on any vac schemes applications and im just so lost about what to do
I am currently undertaking a mini pupillage and I am loving it, but not as much as I enjoyed visiting the city law firms. I went to Baker and Mackenzie, CMS, Allen and Overy and Slaughter and May, and I just felt that was where i wanted to be.
I met graduate recruiters and tried to make an impression on them (i admit the recruiter from s&m is scary, but i think its an act! i got in the lift with her and she was chatting to me much more informally) but i fear my academics are not up to scratch.
First year results horrified me, I knew I wouldnt achieve my best (my dad was diagnosed with terminal cancer a month before i started my llb) so i organised mitigating circumstances in the case i failed, but what instead has happened is i appear to have scrapped through on a pass but not enough to be good but then not bad enough to retake!
I would rather have sat it again in late august as my dads op was right at exam time, so the chance to sit it again without that to deal with would have so much better, but instead I got 58 contract, 50 public law, 46 in crim and 68 in property, equating to an average of 55.5
what to do?!
its going to look dreadful on any vac schemes applications and im just so lost about what to do
Hi,
First of all, keep your head up - it's not all lost! A 2.2. is not the worst result, especially considering your circumstances. In fact, all law firms will have a section where you can set out your mitigating circumstances and anything else that you think might be relevant to your application, so you will have a chance to explain why you have not performed to the best of your ability and why you believe your academics will be better from now on.
The best advice we could give you at this point is to apply. I am sure people will be understanding, but you do have to keep in mind the process is very competetive, so make sure you put the necessary effort into your applications.
I am really sorry about your dad and I hope he is better now. I can only imagine how difficult it must have been, so well done on pulling through your first year at university.
Do ask any other questions you might have.
midnightstar44
oo advice for me too? although i doubt il want to hear it
I am currently undertaking a mini pupillage and I am loving it, but not as much as I enjoyed visiting the city law firms. I went to Baker and Mackenzie, CMS, Allen and Overy and Slaughter and May, and I just felt that was where i wanted to be.
I met graduate recruiters and tried to make an impression on them (i admit the recruiter from s&m is scary, but i think its an act! i got in the lift with her and she was chatting to me much more informally) but i fear my academics are not up to scratch.
First year results horrified me, I knew I wouldnt achieve my best (my dad was diagnosed with terminal cancer a month before i started my llb) so i organised mitigating circumstances in the case i failed, but what instead has happened is i appear to have scrapped through on a pass but not enough to be good but then not bad enough to retake!
I would rather have sat it again in late august as my dads op was right at exam time, so the chance to sit it again without that to deal with would have so much better, but instead I got 58 contract, 50 public law, 46 in crim and 68 in property, equating to an average of 55.5
what to do?!
its going to look dreadful on any vac schemes applications and im just so lost about what to do
I am currently undertaking a mini pupillage and I am loving it, but not as much as I enjoyed visiting the city law firms. I went to Baker and Mackenzie, CMS, Allen and Overy and Slaughter and May, and I just felt that was where i wanted to be.
I met graduate recruiters and tried to make an impression on them (i admit the recruiter from s&m is scary, but i think its an act! i got in the lift with her and she was chatting to me much more informally) but i fear my academics are not up to scratch.
First year results horrified me, I knew I wouldnt achieve my best (my dad was diagnosed with terminal cancer a month before i started my llb) so i organised mitigating circumstances in the case i failed, but what instead has happened is i appear to have scrapped through on a pass but not enough to be good but then not bad enough to retake!
I would rather have sat it again in late august as my dads op was right at exam time, so the chance to sit it again without that to deal with would have so much better, but instead I got 58 contract, 50 public law, 46 in crim and 68 in property, equating to an average of 55.5
what to do?!
its going to look dreadful on any vac schemes applications and im just so lost about what to do
Don't discount the fact you've done a mini-pupilage! It means that -unlike me for example- when asked why you aren't going down the barrister route or something to that effect your answer will be well backed up! As previous posters have said mitigating circumstances (and yours will I think definitely be taken seriously) can be put on your form and firms will take them into account. I would apply and keep in mind that if you are invited to an interview you will need to work twice as hard to show them that your results are not a reflection of your ability but rather a product of unforeseen circumstances. If you can get a tutor or someone with a 'title' at your uni to write a letter you could attach (some online apps will allow you to attach any supplementary info) or maybe someone who can call firms and reiterate the mit-circs that would be good too.
Do also keep in mind that it is insanely competitive and some people with solid 2.1s won't get any vac scheme offers so if you are not successful work on your grades and CV so you can apply for TCs after 2nd year.
Good luck and keep us updated.
are 1st year vac schemes only for law students ?
Im non-law and about to start my first year, but i hear even 1st years need to start getting vac schemes and work experience....
I dont know how well city firms will look to a history degree, especially outside of London/Oxbridge unis either, so i really need to show how dedicated to law i am....
Im non-law and about to start my first year, but i hear even 1st years need to start getting vac schemes and work experience....
I dont know how well city firms will look to a history degree, especially outside of London/Oxbridge unis either, so i really need to show how dedicated to law i am....
Vacation schemes are usually only open to penultimate year law students and final year non law - there are however some open days that 1st years can attend.
Work experience is something at this stage you'll need to try and find yourself with a local firm - it won't be official work experience like a Vacation Scheme but will look good if you manage to land some.
For now, as a First year I'd focus on getting good grades and building your EC's, also try seeing if you can get involved in some volunteer work - and mooting is a must
Work experience is something at this stage you'll need to try and find yourself with a local firm - it won't be official work experience like a Vacation Scheme but will look good if you manage to land some.
For now, as a First year I'd focus on getting good grades and building your EC's, also try seeing if you can get involved in some volunteer work - and mooting is a must
QBC123
Don't discount the fact you've done a mini-pupilage! It means that -unlike me for example- when asked why you aren't going down the barrister route or something to that effect your answer will be well backed up! As previous posters have said mitigating circumstances (and yours will I think definitely be taken seriously) can be put on your form and firms will take them into account. I would apply and keep in mind that if you are invited to an interview you will need to work twice as hard to show them that your results are not a reflection of your ability but rather a product of unforeseen circumstances. If you can get a tutor or someone with a 'title' at your uni to write a letter you could attach (some online apps will allow you to attach any supplementary info) or maybe someone who can call firms and reiterate the mit-circs that would be good too.
Do also keep in mind that it is insanely competitive and some people with solid 2.1s won't get any vac scheme offers so if you are not successful work on your grades and CV so you can apply for TCs after 2nd year.
Good luck and keep us updated.
Do also keep in mind that it is insanely competitive and some people with solid 2.1s won't get any vac scheme offers so if you are not successful work on your grades and CV so you can apply for TCs after 2nd year.
Good luck and keep us updated.
Thankyou for your responses, its made me feel more positive, I am now pondering the idea I take the optional work placement year so by the time i do apply for vac schemes i will at least have second year results which i am determined to make way better then the first! Im also trying to bolster up the work experience, have this mini pupillage (which is going well, spent the day at the royal courts of justice!) a city law event and pro bono work for the NCDV, just hope it all gets taken in to consideration! Although it does seem odd, every trainee i met on the city law event said they didnt find it hard to get a training contract, what are these people superbrains?!?!
Has been a very rough year (im a mum of two in addition i forgot to mention) but things are looking up, wish you both the best of luck too xx
btw - idea about someone at uni writing something is a great idea!
Hi all, there is some great advice on offer here and I'm glad this thread has been created - will be watching it closely over the coming months. I've just a few questions relating to vac scheme applications:
I am a student of Russian at Bristol University and am on the point of entering my penultimate year, the entirety of which will be spent abroad in Russia. I intend to apply to MC, SC and other firms over the coming year but clearly it will be problematic for me to attend open days and interviews. I'm aware that certain firms a.) are able to pay for your flight to attend an interview and b.) are able to arrange interviews nearby (in my case, Moscow). What I'm essentially asking is whether anyone has any experience of applying for vac scheme whilst being abroad, and whether they have any particular advice for me.
Secondly, when is it that most firms begin accepting vac scheme applications? I presume in October?
Any response would be appreciated!
I am a student of Russian at Bristol University and am on the point of entering my penultimate year, the entirety of which will be spent abroad in Russia. I intend to apply to MC, SC and other firms over the coming year but clearly it will be problematic for me to attend open days and interviews. I'm aware that certain firms a.) are able to pay for your flight to attend an interview and b.) are able to arrange interviews nearby (in my case, Moscow). What I'm essentially asking is whether anyone has any experience of applying for vac scheme whilst being abroad, and whether they have any particular advice for me.
Secondly, when is it that most firms begin accepting vac scheme applications? I presume in October?
Any response would be appreciated!
tgb123
Hi all, there is some great advice on offer here and I'm glad this thread has been created - will be watching it closely over the coming months. I've just a few questions relating to vac scheme applications:
I am a student of Russian at Bristol University and am on the point of entering my penultimate year, the entirety of which will be spent abroad in Russia. I intend to apply to MC, SC and other firms over the coming year but clearly it will be problematic for me to attend open days and interviews. I'm aware that certain firms a.) are able to pay for your flight to attend an interview and b.) are able to arrange interviews nearby (in my case, Moscow). What I'm essentially asking is whether anyone has any experience of applying for vac scheme whilst being abroad, and whether they have any particular advice for me.
Secondly, when is it that most firms begin accepting vac scheme applications? I presume in October?
Any response would be appreciated!
I am a student of Russian at Bristol University and am on the point of entering my penultimate year, the entirety of which will be spent abroad in Russia. I intend to apply to MC, SC and other firms over the coming year but clearly it will be problematic for me to attend open days and interviews. I'm aware that certain firms a.) are able to pay for your flight to attend an interview and b.) are able to arrange interviews nearby (in my case, Moscow). What I'm essentially asking is whether anyone has any experience of applying for vac scheme whilst being abroad, and whether they have any particular advice for me.
Secondly, when is it that most firms begin accepting vac scheme applications? I presume in October?
Any response would be appreciated!
May be you'll better try to CV to tutors centres. Moscow Law market has not the best times right now. So the firms push down the lawyer's salaries. Not long ago, this week, I saw a job offer - tutor in English, one year of experiance, specialised education. Twenty minutes by train from Moscow. They offer the same salary, which usually being offered to lawyer from one of the first five Moscow Unies, with 5-10 year experiance in profession. As I understood you are lawyer and not translator, but may be if you are British that's the same that you are specialised translator and can work for them.
I mean at Moscow they have graduated translators from UK, but they don't like to go even to nearby cities from Moscow.Paul PTS
May be you'll better try to CV to tutors centres. Moscow Law market has not the best times right now. So the firms push down the lawyer's salaries. Not long ago, this week, I saw a job offer - tutor in English, one year of experiance, specialised education. Twenty minutes by train from Moscow. They offer the same salary, which usually being offered to lawyer from one of the first five Moscow Unies, with 5-10 year experiance in profession. As I understood you are lawyer and not translator, but may be if you are British that's the same that you are specialised translator and can work for them. I mean at Moscow they have graduated translators from UK, but they don't like to go even to nearby cities from Moscow.
I mean at Moscow they have graduated translators from UK, but they don't like to go even to nearby cities from Moscow.Hi, just to clarify I'm looking for a vac scheme (and ultimately TC) in a city firm in London. I already have an internship and a tutoring job in Moscow and am studying for part of the year so that isn't really the issue. I was simply asking for advice regarding applying for vac schemes whilst abroad.
Yay, more like-minded ridiculously-organised people! I don't think the other law students at my college have started thinking about vac schemes and looking at firms yet, but I'm determined to get ahead because these are kind of important decisions so I'm going to spend the summer getting to know everything there is to know about the different firms!
I'm planning to apply for vac schems covering all sort of firms, from the big Magic Circles ones down to smaller ones like Farrer & Co with a larger proportion of private client stuff.
It's getting commercial awareness that I'm worried about - I literally have none!
Any tips for where a complete novice to the business world should start?
I'm planning to apply for vac schems covering all sort of firms, from the big Magic Circles ones down to smaller ones like Farrer & Co with a larger proportion of private client stuff.
It's getting commercial awareness that I'm worried about - I literally have none!
Any tips for where a complete novice to the business world should start?Sephaeii
Yay, more like-minded ridiculously-organised people! I don't think the other law students at my college have started thinking about vac schemes and looking at firms yet, but I'm determined to get ahead because these are kind of important decisions so I'm going to spend the summer getting to know everything there is to know about the different firms!
I'm planning to apply for vac schems covering all sort of firms, from the big Magic Circles ones down to smaller ones like Farrer & Co with a larger proportion of private client stuff.
It's getting commercial awareness that I'm worried about - I literally have none! Any tips for where a complete novice to the business world should start?
I'm planning to apply for vac schems covering all sort of firms, from the big Magic Circles ones down to smaller ones like Farrer & Co with a larger proportion of private client stuff.
It's getting commercial awareness that I'm worried about - I literally have none!
Any tips for where a complete novice to the business world should start?Hi!
It's been a while!
How are you? How did your exams go? As for commercial awareness, I have previously reccommended reading 'All you need to know about the City' by Christopher Stoakes - this will definitely explain a lot of terms and etc. that you will need to tackle the task of reading business news on a daily basis.
In the mean time, you can try reading BBC News online, as well as Times Business. The former gives all the info in bite size chunks, but does not go in enough detail, while the latter will introduce you to the topics in more depth. You can also read the Economist or the FT, but I wouldn't bother with either just yet.
If you are on FB, I would suggest joining the following: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/chambersstudentguide?ref=ts
It has brilliant updates and is otherwise very useful.
Also, read www.thelegalweek.com, www.lawcareers.net and http://l2b.thelawyer.com/ - these should all be rather helpful.
Hey!!! Non-law student here starting second year in october
Anyone know what firms, apart from Allen and Overy, Clifford Chance, Slaughter and May, Freshfields and Simmons and Simmons take in non-law penultimate students for vac schemes?
starting second year in octoberAnyone know what firms, apart from Allen and Overy, Clifford Chance, Slaughter and May, Freshfields and Simmons and Simmons take in non-law penultimate students for vac schemes?
maghreblover
Hey!!! Non-law student here starting second year in october
Anyone know what firms, apart from Allen and Overy, Clifford Chance, Slaughter and May, Freshfields and Simmons and Simmons take in non-law penultimate students for vac schemes?
starting second year in octoberAnyone know what firms, apart from Allen and Overy, Clifford Chance, Slaughter and May, Freshfields and Simmons and Simmons take in non-law penultimate students for vac schemes?
Most of the American ones do...Weil, Gotshal and Manges, Cleary Gottlieb, Jones Day etc. and then I know that CMS Cameron McKenna did. There are quite a few that do offer it..
Word of advice from someone who went through the cycle last year...APPLY EARLY.
Fortification
Most of the American ones do...Weil, Gotshal and Manges, Cleary Gottlieb, Jones Day etc. and then I know that CMS Cameron McKenna did. There are quite a few that do offer it..
Word of advice from someone who went through the cycle last year...APPLY EARLY.
Word of advice from someone who went through the cycle last year...APPLY EARLY.
thanks!!!!
Having just gone through the vac scheme cycle myself, just a couple of points that I picked up, though others might disagree. Firstly, grades are not the be all and end all (so long as you don't have your heart set on Slaughters or White Shoe firms...). Also, there are vast differences between firms that are similar on paper - for example, 'international opportunities' at Linklaters means flitting off abroad occasionally to 'fire fight', but at Hogan Lovells it means 6 months in Europe or Hong Kong on your TC if you're lucky... (No extra American opportunities from the merger unfortunately). So basically, read around as much as poss but definitely get inside the firms and ask the right people the right questions!
Oh, and commercial awareness means totally different things to different firms. To some it's understanding basic economics (e.g. what is a plc?; what are supply and demand?), to others its general trends in the economy, or particular firms in the news (the big one), or it could even just be the ability to analyse something from a business (rather than legal) perspective. I've heard that they don't like you reading The Economist because it's too broad - newspapers are preferable. And Wiki pages on takeovers, companies etc are a great start
Oh, and commercial awareness means totally different things to different firms. To some it's understanding basic economics (e.g. what is a plc?; what are supply and demand?), to others its general trends in the economy, or particular firms in the news (the big one), or it could even just be the ability to analyse something from a business (rather than legal) perspective. I've heard that they don't like you reading The Economist because it's too broad - newspapers are preferable. And Wiki pages on takeovers, companies etc are a great start
Thanks for the tips - the 'insider' knowledge is much appreciated! 
So are Slaughters really big on grades? I got fairly solid 2.1 in my exams, but my tutors have given me firsts on some of my end of term reports...can I feasibly apply?
Your comments about commerical awareness have made me realise just how little I have, because I know neither basics like what's a plc, or the general trends, or understand the credit crunch or anything!
I've just ordered a copy of All You Need To Know About The City, so hopefully I'll be able to change this woeful lack of knowledge soon...
So are Slaughters really big on grades? I got fairly solid 2.1 in my exams, but my tutors have given me firsts on some of my end of term reports...can I feasibly apply?Your comments about commerical awareness have made me realise just how little I have, because I know neither basics like what's a plc, or the general trends, or understand the credit crunch or anything!
I've just ordered a copy of All You Need To Know About The City, so hopefully I'll be able to change this woeful lack of knowledge soon...bobobski
Having just gone through the vac scheme cycle myself, just a couple of points that I picked up, though others might disagree. Firstly, grades are not the be all and end all (so long as you don't have your heart set on Slaughters or White Shoe firms...). Also, there are vast differences between firms that are similar on paper - for example, 'international opportunities' at Linklaters means flitting off abroad occasionally to 'fire fight', but at Hogan Lovells it means 6 months in Europe or Hong Kong on your TC if you're lucky... (No extra American opportunities from the merger unfortunately). So basically, read around as much as poss but definitely get inside the firms and ask the right people the right questions!
Oh, and commercial awareness means totally different things to different firms. To some it's understanding basic economics (e.g. what is a plc?; what are supply and demand?), to others its general trends in the economy, or particular firms in the news (the big one), or it could even just be the ability to analyse something from a business (rather than legal) perspective. I've heard that they don't like you reading The Economist because it's too broad - newspapers are preferable. And Wiki pages on takeovers, companies etc are a great start
Oh, and commercial awareness means totally different things to different firms. To some it's understanding basic economics (e.g. what is a plc?; what are supply and demand?), to others its general trends in the economy, or particular firms in the news (the big one), or it could even just be the ability to analyse something from a business (rather than legal) perspective. I've heard that they don't like you reading The Economist because it's too broad - newspapers are preferable. And Wiki pages on takeovers, companies etc are a great start
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can i get a job at a top law firm as a barrister with sh*t grades??
