[jjarvis]

(Original post by Rancorous)
Fair enough, I was wrong to say that. There are plenty of older academics without them. I meant in today's circumstances even if it's not a written rule (I'd be surprised if you found one from the last 10 years). I'm not sure of the point I was trying to make.

http://www.law.cam.ac.uk/people/academic/ps-davies/1127

http://www.law.cam.ac.uk/people/academic/ac-goymour/729

Both from the last five or so years.

[Rancorous]

(Original post by jjarvis)
http://www.law.cam.ac.uk/people/academic/ps-davies/1127

http://www.law.cam.ac.uk/people/academic/ac-goymour/729

Both from the last five or so years.

What's your point?

[propatria]

I think like any degree BPP'S LLB has it's pros and cons,
the pros for me are that it's a career focused fast paced degree that I can complete in two years, that it's taught at a specialised legal institituion where you have chance to talk to BPTC, GDL and LPC students via a number of channels if you want some advice etc, it also has a strong and well funded programme of talks and visits from firms and chambers, there are also a few more points but I don't want to be regarded as being overly positive
however there are faults, some people don't like the lack of a "normal" student experience, having no BPP halls makes socialising and friendship a bit harder, the low entry requirements (they have been raised now though) mean that some people on the course can slow the class down a bit and finally the obvious fact that it's a new llb from a non traditional institution means that some people may be wary of it.

But on the whole I think there is a lot of people holding unfounded negative views about this course, yes it's relatively new but at one point people probably didn't think degrees from Durham/York/Bristol etc were up to much because they were new, however over time they have proved themselves and I think the record of BPP for their BPTC and LPC courses does mean that it will get recognised for it's LLB a lot faster than a standard institution rolling out the LLB course for the first time. It does annoy me that the first page of this discussion is people putting the course down and if a student is considering BPP and reads that they could be put off, what I would recommend would be to visit the sites, speak to lecturers (just as you would with any other university) and see what you think, it would also be interesting to see what the first lot of BPP's LLB students are doing currently as well.

Also does anyone else think the new logo is dire?

[jjarvis]

(Original post by Rancorous)
What's your point?

Two lecturers at Cambridge, both of whom have been academics for five years or less, and neither of whom has a PhD. Indeed, Davies didn't undertake the LLM or BCL, either. I'm not sure that law lecturers without PhDs are as rare as you suggest--even among people who are quite junior.

[Rancorous]

(Original post by jjarvis)
Two lecturers at Cambridge, both of whom have been academics for five years or less, and neither of whom has a PhD. Indeed, Davies didn't undertake the LLM or BCL, either. I'm not sure that law lecturers without PhDs are as rare as you suggest--even among people who are quite junior.

I said that you need a PhD was the rule. Someone pointed out an exception. I admitted I was wrong to make such an overarching statement since there would be exceptions. You then come along and point out two more exceptions. I'm not sure what value that has.

If you want proof of the rule, 'PhD desirable' is pretty standard on application forms for academic positions. No one I know at QMUL, LSE, UCL or KCL has a post without one, at least within the last 10 years, but of course I may have missed someone. There may be someone at Bristol, I don't know; but when you have few jobs, lots of PhDs, getting it without one is unlikely. The exception at Oxford came top of his year on his BCL, I think; which is pretty impressive.

[Fly me to the moon]

Happy New Year everyone! Just going back to the modules issue I think it says on the website on the Modules page that the modules listed below provide an indicative guide to syllabus content and that you can contact them if you want the full list of modules. Hope that helps.

(Original post by Forum User)
If you are a law student at BPP you should really work on your reading comprehension. I wrote:



If you want to call this an 'assertion' then it is *undoubtedly* a true one, the list of modules on the website at the time I posted did not comprise a QLD as they did not include Equity and Trusts. If you would like to point out a single 'assertion' I made in my post that is incorrect I will be very interested to see it. If you would like to point out anywhere I asserted that BPP did not offer a QLD I would be very happy to see that too.

If BPP is a "leading provider of professional education" then perhaps they could sort their website out, as of this writing there are now only two modules displayed in the LLB, 'child law' and 'commercial contract'.

For a 'student ambassador' your attitude is terrible (and it seems like I am hardly the first person to notice this) and every one of your posts is so single-mindedly positive that it really makes me doubt you are a student at all, or at least not one who is posting 'gratis'.

[Forum User]

Has anyone who is starting the LLB at BPP in January (whether that be full time or part time) heard anything about induction days, start dates, etc for this course yet?

[JordanAlexander]

I came across the BPP tonight as I wanted to find a fast way to do 3 year law degree condensed into the fastest possible way which is 2 years.

After reading all the posts and some of the negative and positive reviews, I'm really stuck on what to do. The fact that some people are trying to make BPP sound a joke if you want to study there is putting me off.

When it first started off back in 2009 as stated it was new and not many chambers and solicitor firms was sure how it would work out which 3 years on we should know whether firms see it as successful route or not. I'm just confused and not too sure whether to apply for September or not now.

[Forum User]

(Original post by JordanAlexander)
When it first started off back in 2009 as stated it was new and not many chambers and solicitor firms was sure how it would work out which 3 years on we should know whether firms see it as successful route or not. I'm just confused and not too sure whether to apply for September or not now.

It was new in 2009 (I think), so students who did the normal three-year course will only be getting their final results next Tuesday (I know because that's when I get my first term results and they're all on the same day).

As such chambers and solicitors firms will still have almost no idea of the quality of graduates coming through, it will take at least a couple more cohorts of students graduating and moving through to employment in the legal sector before they form any kind of opinion. Don't forget that even those students who did the two-year course and graduated in 2011 will not yet have started pupillage or training contracts because at best they will still be doing the LPC or BPTC. No doubt some will have interviewed for TCs and pupillages before starting those courses but it won't be enough to give an overall impression. It's not that a degree from a given 1994 group is necessarily 'better', just that employers have no idea at all what a degree from BPP is like, for all they know it could be a complete joke.

For what it's worth I'm doing the two-year course as well but as a part-time evening student and am currently halfway through 2nd of 6 terms. I don't mind answering questions about the course if you have any. Bear in mind I've only ever studied law at BPP so I can't speculate whether the course is harder or better than university x, y or z.

[JordanAlexander]

Sorry, I've only just seen your reply back.

I still torn in which to chose from either BBP or Uni of Manchester. But if I was going to BPP I'd do the 2 year course.

However, I've just noticed you say your doing the 2 year course too but part time? I didnt think you could do the course 2 years part time? So how does that work, like are you classes in the evenings and what are the times like?

[Forum User]

(Original post by JordanAlexander)
Sorry, I've only just seen your reply back.

I still torn in which to chose from either BBP or Uni of Manchester. But if I was going to BPP I'd do the 2 year course.

However, I've just noticed you say your doing the 2 year course too but part time? I didnt think you could do the course 2 years part time? So how does that work, like are you classes in the evenings and what are the times like?

Well Manchester has a much better reputation (at least at present) than BPP.

You can do the course 2 years as a 'part-time' student. All my classes are in the evening (6-8 or 6-9 depending on the class and how much there is to cover), I do three modules a term, three terms a year for two years. That's the same amount of study as you would do doing the 'full-time' course, except you would have your classes during the day. There are a few of us mature students at BPP doing the part-time in two years, obviously you need a huge time commitment to it but it's doable if you work hard.

[JordanAlexander]

If I go to BPP I think I would like to do the same as you by having the classes in the evening as I currently have a full time job in a solicitors and therefore could still keep it and work part time and study in the evenings.

Although I have looked on the BPP website and it doesn't mention anything about stuyding the LLB for 2 years for evening classes?

[Forum User]

(Original post by JordanAlexander)
If I go to BPP I think I would like to do the same as you by having the classes in the evening as I currently have a full time job in a solicitors and therefore could still keep it and work part time and study in the evenings.

Although I have looked on the BPP website and it doesn't mention anything about stuyding the LLB for 2 years for evening classes?

If you study part-time in the evening then before the start of every semester you choose which modules you want to study. There are no restrictions at all except that you can't choose more than 60 credits worth and not all modules will run as evening classes every semester. Your personal tutor and some of the class tutors will 'strongly advise' you not to take 60 credits each semester but it is perfectly possible to do so, and to study all three semesters a year.

As an example, I did evening classes in Contract, Consumer Law and ELS last semester. This semester I'm doing evening classes in Tort, Introduction to Business Law, and Jurisprudence. Then I will have finished my first 'year' of study and be on to second year classes. Next term I will probably do Criminal Law, Commercial Contract, and Employment Law.

[JordanAlexander]

Yeah I understand what you mean mate.

I'm leaning towards more BPP just for the simple fact I still earn my wage and study in the evenings and of course do it within 2 years.

How are you finding it so far, is there a lot to take in seeing as your doing the LLB in 2 years?

[Forum User]

(Original post by JordanAlexander)
Yeah I understand what you mean mate.

I'm leaning towards more BPP just for the simple fact I still earn my wage and study in the evenings and of course do it within 2 years.

How are you finding it so far, is there a lot to take in seeing as your doing the LLB in 2 years?

To be honest I am finding it quite easy so far and my grades from my first semester were quite good. But I suppose it gets harder as you move through the modules so not going to rest on my laurels yet

[JordanAlexander]

That's good then, least your getting decent grades and enjoying which is the key to success mate.

[shanks-son]

(Original post by Forum User)
Well Manchester has a much better reputation (at least at present) than BPP.

You can do the course 2 years as a 'part-time' student. All my classes are in the evening (6-8 or 6-9 depending on the class and how much there is to cover), I do three modules a term, three terms a year for two years. That's the same amount of study as you would do doing the 'full-time' course, except you would have your classes during the day. There are a few of us mature students at BPP doing the part-time in two years, obviously you need a huge time commitment to it but it's doable if you work hard.

what delivery mode are you on? I about to start my first term, But I want to d o it in 2 years part time online evenings. So how would I go about asking to do that?

[Forum User]

(Original post by shanks-son)



what delivery mode are you on? I about to start my first term, But I want to d o it in 2 years part time online evenings. So how would I go about asking to do that?

You don't need to do anything to ask - you just need to pick 60 credits worth of subjects when you are asked to select your modules.

Bear in mind that even though BPP is no Oxbridge, doing the course in 2 years as a part-time student will be quite difficult. Many of my colleagues who have picked 60 credits as part-time students have found that they could not manage the workload. If you have a full-time job and can only study in the evenings and the weekends then you need to realise what you are letting yourself in for! But it is doable, I have done 60 credits per term for the first and second year although for my third year I am going to do three terms of 45, 45, and 30 credits.

[woody-wood]

you'd have to be potty to pick the BPP degree over manchester university.