Geert Wilders: Hero or Monster?

He's starting a multinational (5 nations) anti-Muslim unison parade or something like that in a few months...

And no party in NL will even agree to enter into a coalition with his 'party', which is essentially a one-man show of himself and a bunch of quiet supporters.

There are loads who are 'champions of freedom of speech' but he is not one of them. And you frequently attack those who use phrases without considering their meaning MT, so I predict your personal bias and ask, how could anybody see him as a champion of free speech? How has he gone about guaranteeing free speech to those who lacked it, or ever stood up in defence of it and succeeded against those who would want the right restricted? Maybe his supporters do, to hear his messages.

But in reality he is a fringe element testing Europe's acceptance of free speech, which comes at the expense of extremists like him. I'm sure the vast majority of those who stand by the democratic principles of free speech and the universal right to stand for elections etc. stand by these principles in spite of men like Geert Wilders, certainly not for such people.

My post tries to propose two biased positions with question marks, to ignite the debate.

Hero.

He has the balls to point out the elephant in room.

The Muslims who are getting upset about Europeans defending their culture need to be told to FIFO.

Fit in or f*** off.

He's starting a multinational (5 nations) anti-Muslim unison parade or something like that in a few months...

And no party in NL will even agree to enter into a coalition with his 'party', which is essentially a one-man show of himself and a bunch of quiet supporters.

There are loads who are 'champions of freedom of speech' but he is not one of them. And you frequently attack those who use phrases without considering their meaning MT, so I predict your personal bias and ask, how could anybody see him as a champion of free speech? How has he gone about guaranteeing free speech to those who lacked it, or ever stood up in defence of it and succeeded against those who would want the right restricted? Maybe his supporters do, to hear his messages.

But in reality he is a fringe element testing Europe's acceptance of free speech, which comes at the expense of extremists like him. I'm sure the vast majority of those who stand by the democratic principles of free speech and the universal right to stand in elections etc. stand by these principles in spite of men like Geert Wilders, certainly not for such people.

I think the point about freedom of speech isn't with regard to the general public or the state, but rather in regard to extremist Muslims who have gone out of their way to attack and kill many of those who speak out against them - especially in the Netherlands. There are a lot more people out there, even politicians already in power, who want to speak out against the Islamisation of Europe, who won't because their lives and families will be in danger. The guy who drew the picture of Mohammed for instance has to live in a secret location guarded by police with panic rooms installed in his house. Whether you think he should draw a picture of Mohammed or not, he should have the right to without being in fear of his life.

I think the point about freedom of speech isn't with regard to the general public or the state, but rather in regard to extremist Muslims who have gone out of their way to attack and kill many of those who speak out against them - especially in the Netherlands. There are a lot more people out there, even politicians already in power, who want to speak out against the Islamisation of Europe, who won't because their lives and families will be in danger. The guy who drew the picture of Mohammed for instance has to live in a secret location guarded by police with panic rooms installed in his house. Whether you think he should draw a picture of Mohammed or not, he should have the right to without being in fear of his life. Islam currently holds an extremely priviledged position above criticism or scorn in Europe, and that is why Geert Wilders is a champion of free speech. Of course because he is saying something you disagree with you agree with those who want to suppress free speech, but put your personal biases aside for just one second just this once.

That causal relationship makes no sense whatsoever. You've fallen for the same trap as the hypothetical bigot I questioned. Thanks for coming to fill that void though.

Yes Elipsis, white people are inherently superior; Muslims are a drain and have never advanced the science, technology or the arts; Muslims all cling to lorries and boats to get into amazing white paradises; women are physically weaker and intrinsically less intelligent than men; and Christianity is the unquestionable truth for all people through all times.

Makes sense to me, anytime anyone says anything remotely critical of Islam they're tacked with the 'Islamophobia' label, a term invented to stifle any criticism of the ideology of Islam.

Yeah don't you hate it when terms are invented.

Just like the term 'racism' to stifle any criticism of people along ethnic lines, or 'sexism' to prevent us keeping women locked away in basements.

Why can't we just use the terms given to us at the point of creation ey?

What the Islamic slave trade has to do with Geert Wilders being a champion of free speech or not is beyond me.

Maybe you should resist the urge to shout out your hatred of Muslim with copied-and-pasted lists and entirely irrelevant references to slave trades and "just about every Islamic country [being] an oppressive hellhole" for enough time to think about the actual topic at hand. Is that really too hard?

Seriously, I want a reply. What does the slave trade or your ignorant views on foreign nations have to do with this at all, even if they are true?

And ending your unfalsifiable ramblings with the word FACT in upper-case doesn't make it true bud.

If I was more of a geek, I'd probably class you as an 'epic fail' lol. Ta ta.

Calm the propaganda for a minute. I'll reply to the rest.



That causal relationship makes no sense whatsoever. You've fallen for the same trap as the hypothetical bigot I questioned. Thanks for coming to fill that void though.



Excuse me? "...you agree with those who want to suppress free speech...".

Don't make up lies.

And with my personal biases aside, I would still accuse you of rationalising into glorification anything said by another anti-Muslim bigot but that would be quite properly lost on somebody who makes and believes in disgusting racist and sexist statements such as these:





Yes Elipsis, white people are inherently superior; Muslims are a drain and have never advanced the science, technology or the arts; Muslims all cling to lorries and boats to get into amazing white paradises; women are physically weaker and intrinsically less intelligent than men; and Christianity is the unquestionable truth for all people through all times.

Don't expect another response from me but feel free to reply as you always do. I won't mention your fake degree or make-believe £100,000/year business this time, don't worry.

I don't see how he can be a champion of free speech when what he's really doing is just promoting a type of speech he likes (namely, the speech of those who criticise Islam) and attempting to suppress the speech of those he doesn't like (namely, Muslims). That's nothing to do with free speech - he's just defending his interests in an illiberal fashion...