Unite aim to ruin yet another British company

Don't get me wrong - I am more of a 'conservative' than a socialist, however my opinion is slightly different to yours. I am a strict believer in liberty.

If these guys want to protest, they should be allowed to strike anytime they want, nothing should stop them from walking out of a job, picketing outside, shouting whatever crap they want to shout. That is a fundemental right, it should never be taken away. The last thing we need is more legislation.

Instead, we should get rid of legislation which ties down businesses and guarantees these morons job security. If they protest for 'unfair reasons', the business should be allowed to get rid of the lot and give the jobs to people who actually want to work for the price/conditions on offer as long as they meet a basic minimum requirement.

The current situation isn't far off from what I'm saying (I think) and I don't know much about employment law etc. But I don't think striking should be banned at all.

Before someone starts giving me ****, I am from a working class background. I am not rich, its just that I have principles, unlike most socialist scum. All they want to do is beg...

What other vhoice to they have. they have no weapons except withdrawing their labour while the bosses have all the power. They arn't even grasping-they just want to keep up their standard of living.

You can't ban strikes, if you say they can't legally walk out they'll just do a wildcat on you and walk out anyway. With or without legal permission.

aren't there people willing to do their jobs regardless of the pay?

fire the ******* and employ the willing, sad tawats.

they dont just damged their bussinesses to get at the bosses tho, they damaged the lives of the public! aiming to stike on bank holidays and key holiday times just ***** everyone off... if you are from a middle to low income family and u have saved all year for a holiday and then it gets ruined by some stupid Unions striking... well its not on is it! I understand that the right to strike should not be waivered and that it is a very useful tactic.. but it is over used and it doesnt need to be directed at the general public!.... in the spring who lost out more.. BA losing money of the thousands of people whose holidays were ruined? the answer is the latter

What, for wanting there pay to keep up with inflation and to get bounuses they deserved? Yep, real greedy.

Its not like they're asking for a huge amount here-they want there pay to stay at the same rate in real terms (BAA will keeps its prices raising at at least this level after all) and they want the bonuses as they missed the targets due to external incidents. Plus they already voluntarily accepted a pay freeze in 2009 so this would be 2 years in a row when their pay hasn't risen (at a time when prices have risen by around 4%). BAA is also holding out on a 1.5% raise, well below inflation, conditional on them accepting worse working practices around pay.

That sounds fair enough to me.

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You're missing the poiint here...
There are over 2 million people out of work. The economy is in disarray and many people wont even get a pay rise this year and are struggling to find anything really...and then you have this lot who get paid higher than anybody in their field..despite BA losing £500 mil a year! And yet they want a higher pay rise, even though they will get one?..They want perks and they are angry that BA are gonna reduce the pay scale..dont they understand that they are the ones messing up the company?..they will keep doing it until BA go out of business..and then what will they say then?...
Its about being responsible and knowing your situation. Considering the state of the country now..they are frickin' lucky that they have a job and a job that will give them a pay rise and bonuses!..they shouldnt be complaining!...and if they want to complain..they shouldnt be trying to detroy the company as that it obviously gonna be counter-productive..

How else to be effective-there employers could just ignore strikes at other periods no matter how long they are. Why target your action when its going to be least effective.

Its not fair on the public no-but you can't expect employees just to sit on their arse and take the **** with BAA are handing out. They have a right to try and fight back adn to use the most effective tactics possible. When would a strike be fair on the general public? Whenever they stike someone is going to be pissed off.

You should be aiming your ire at the Unions who have no other option but at BAA who are refusing their pretty reasonable demands. All they want to keep their wages at the same level and to get bonuses which they have been deprived of due to circumstances outside their control. Thats a fair demand isn't it? To keep the status quo? Remember they already accepted changes to working practices, a pay cut (in real terms) and job losses last year but BAA have just kept pushing. Inflation in 3.5% (or 5% depending on which index you use) and has been high for some time and BAA offer a 1% raise, no bonus and a possible 1.5% raise if they accept even worse conditions!

You're missing the poiint here...
There are over 2 million people out of work. The economy is in disarray and many people wont even get a pay rise this year and are struggling to find anything really...and then you have this lot who get paid higher than anybody in their field..despite BAA losing £500 mil a year! And yet they want a higher pay rise, even though they will get one?..They want perks and they are angry that BAA are gonna reduce the pay scale..dont they understand that they are the ones messing up the company?..they will keep doing it until BA go out of business..and then what will they say then?...
Its about being responsible and knowing your situation. Considering the state of the country now..they are frickin' lucky that they have a job and a job that will give them a pay rise and bonuses!..they shouldnt be complaining!...and if they want to complain..they shouldnt be trying to detroy the company as that it obviously gonna be counter-productive..

I dont think it is a fair demand considering the huge losses BAA are are making. I dont think it is a fair demand considering the economic climate and considering that millions of workers are accepting pay freezes.

If this was at any other time, where the company is making profit, and the economic situation was different then I would support the demands as they would be reasonable. However at the moment they are not reasonable.

They've already accepted a pay freeze-last year and accepted job losses. They did that voluntarily before any other company's workers did-and before civil servents did. The only reason its making a loss is due to the debt incured from a corperate takeover-nothing to do with the workers.

Its highly unfair to think that workers should accept 2 years of massively below average pay rises (they've lost, by my working, 8% on the real value of their wages), no bonus dispite raising the overall revenue of the company, job losses, worse conditions and so forth without putting up a moments protest?

staff in the public sector strike 15 times more than their opposites in the private sector

You're missing the poiint here...
There are over 2 million people out of work. The economy is in disarray and many people wont even get a pay rise this year and are struggling to find anything really...and then you have this lot who get paid higher than anybody in their field..despite BAA losing £500 mil a year! And yet they want a higher pay rise, even though they will get one?..They want perks and they are angry that BAA are gonna reduce the pay scale..dont they understand that they are the ones messing up the company?..they will keep doing it until BA go out of business..and then what will they say then?...
Its about being responsible and knowing your situation. Considering the state of the country now..they are frickin' lucky that they have a job and a job that will give them a pay rise and bonuses!..they shouldnt be complaining!...and if they want to complain..they shouldnt be trying to detroy the company as that it obviously gonna be counter-productive..



Also I watch watching the head of Unite talk...and he was saying how he talked with WW and gave him their plan on how BA could make savings..and WW was ignorant and ignored it..
and its like...errmm excuse me, who is the CEO of BAA?..Unite have no say on how BAA runs!..who gives them the right to think they can tell WW how to run his company?

Unions are important, but I think that what Unite are doing...is just taking the ****

And you know, if BAA was to go under and all the strikers loss their jobs..well Unite will still be there..

What other vhoice to they have. they have no weapons except withdrawing their labour while the bosses have all the power. They arn't even grasping-they just want to keep up their standard of living.