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Sabertooth
That's 30% of the population.....and given how much higher living costs are in Britain it's not particularly bad. £17,000 a year you'd struggle in Britain, here it's not the same thing. I know people on $18,000 a year, they're not impoverished (and yes, actually they do have insurance), ok they don't have a 50inch tv and sports car but they're not on the bread-line.

Again, those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones:
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=334



Many people, even with government top ups in the UK fail to have a household income of £20,000. That's with EVERYTHING costing significantly more in the UK.


Again, this is irrelevant however. I told you what I was replying to - the claim that your income will be lower so the reduced cost of living won't matter. This is ********. I didn't say no one is poor in the US, or that everyone gets a wage higher than the UK, I said the average and median household incomes are higher in the US than the UK. That fact is indisputable. It's not my fault you don't understand the difference between average and median.


Median is a type of average however I'm going to choose to believe you mean the mean when you say average.

Again my point was not an argument about national superiority. My argument is that wage inequality in america makes both the median and the mean measures of income less representative of the data as a whole.
I also don't buy the cost of living argument from either party as it is so massively dependent on location within nation.

As for your people in glass houses comment (I am aware this is me getting sucked in but whatever) wage inequality in america is much higher. US has a gini coefficient of 45 the UK has one of 34. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2172.html(Bigger is worse scale is 0 to 100)
US is also one of few countries with an increased inequality of income since the 1980s
http://www.census.gov/prod/1/pop/p60-191.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States#overview

Whilst the UK is not much better in this respect it does attempt to redress the balance far more than america does as does well pretty much everywhere. (Another gripe here could be a poor progressive taxation system)


This leads to an overall reduction in inequality in most other developed nations.


This income inequality has a correlation link to crime

and life expectancy.


I guess I may be being a little harsh and I apologise anyway my point is that statistically speaking America is
A) More unequal
B)Has a higher prison population (which I'm guessing probably translates to a higher crime rate)
C)Lower Life expectancy. (Despite spending a higher % of that massive GDP on healthcare)

I'm sure you're going to quote me back and I'll try and get back to you tomorrow.
Umm i'd actually say that the UK has better scenary than America (i don't think you can beat the British countryside.) There is less poverty in the UK and also less crime. On the other hand, the USA does provide you with more opportunities and i know exactly what you mean when you say it has more variety. I wouldn't mind living in the USA when i'm older and the main reasons for that are the opportunities and the fact it's a vast country with different environments/cultures according to where you live (i.e. New York is hugely different to LA etc) whereas i don't think we have that here. To move there though i would have to make sure i had enough money to support myself because i get the impression that it is not a good place to be poor.
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Militantbuthopeful
This income inequality has a correlation link to crime

and life expectancy.

I'm sure you're going to quote me back and I'll try and get back to you tomorrow.

I guess the real question here is, why don't we all move to Japan? Nice stats though :yep:
Reply 163
anti-duck
Are you arguing for or against America? lol.

How is it relevant if American gangsters make chavs look like angels? (not that chavs are the British equivalent of American gangsters), or that their basketball players are, on average or whatever, taller than Brits? or that they produce better boxers!?

Also, guns are legal/illegal here in the same way that they are legal/illegal in America, though we are a lot stricter.

I would say America's competitive nature is a good thing :smile:

You basically seem to be saying that everything is bigger and better in America.


To be honest reading my quote again, it does seem kind of pro american. I tried to stress the competitive nature of america, and if you make it its all good and if you dont it wont be as pleasant. Its a winner or loser mentality. I think your right, the competiveness is a appealing aspect for most people but for me I am a bit of a socialist. Id prefer the UK, free health care, safer,calmer, smaller class divide etc etc. That basketball example I made was kind of funny, I just tried to make out how americans take things to the next level.
an44588
To be honest reading my quote again, it does seem kind of pro american. I tried to stress the competitive nature of america, and if you make it its all good and if you dont it wont be as pleasant. Its a winner or loser mentality. I think your right, the competiveness is a appealing aspect for most people but for me I am a bit of a socialist. Id prefer the UK, free health care, safer,calmer, smaller class divide etc etc. That basketball example I made was kind of funny, I just tried to make out how americans take things to the next level.


Apparently, the US and UK have a very similar crime per capita statistic (ok, the UK is a fraction higher), I don't know how that breaks down, but yes, you are statistically more unlikely in Britain to be murdered, though I don't know if you can say the same for assault. Are we really safer in general?

Also Britain has the 10th highest taxes in the world, based on % of GDP, compared to the US having the 112th highest, is the NHS really worth that difference?

All stats taken from Nationmaster.
yameretzu
Do you think you can afford health insurance or money to pay for healthcare or if health insurers decide they wont pay out. You want to go somewhere where the wealth divide is bigger than in the UK. Where people get turfed out all the time because there is no limit on mortgages like with the bank of England. If you decided to have kids do you have the money to send them to college or do you not think a degree is worth it. Do you think there are no chavs in america just because they are called something different, only difference is its easier to get a gun. There are also much less employment rights and virtually no data protection rights so your data is just sold on to anyone.

Not somewhere I'd go to live ... lol I could go on but my head would explode lol :s-smilie:


This, stop watching Hollywood movies or better yet basing life decisions on them.

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