[Metrobeans]

M19 - Response to Events in Iran, TSR Conservative

This House notes has been noting for some time the worrying actions of Iran with regards to its nuclear program.

Furthermore, we fear that Iran's nuclear program will be not, as stated, be used for merely peaceful efforts, but rather the development of nuclear weapons for use against our soldiers in the middle eastern front as well as our allies in the region.

Therefore, this House, along with our allies, demands that Iran immediately begin ending its nuclear program by dismantling its nuclear processing facilities.

To ensure that Iran has indeed dismantled its nuclear program, this House also demands that Iran allow the entry of United Nations weapons inspectors into the country every six months for five years to ensure that not only has their program been dismantled, but also remains dismantled.

Should Iran choose to ignore this House, and continue with its nuclear program, then we shall not fail or falter, we shall not weaken or tire in our responsibility to defend the United Kingdom and her allies from the grave and terrible threat of a Nuclear armed Iran.

[ROTF]

******* hell! Iran has not once said we want to make nuclear weapons and ****. Why won't people just butt out! They want Iran to become the next Iraq... I dont think so.

[ByronicHero]

Pointless, superfluous and poorly written in parts.

Of course the sentiment is one nearly all of us will agree with, but this doesn't say anything particularly worth saying IMO.

[Rhadamanthus]

Poorly written, but agreeable.

[simontinsley]

Well yes, and no. If we're to demand weapons inspectors in every 6 months, then why do we need to dismantle the nuclear program. I know this sounds far-fetched, but what if they *are* telling the truth? Certainly we shouldn't be stopping people from using nuclear power and the weapons inspectors are there to make sure that they do not use this capability for weapons.

If they refuse weapons inspectors into the country, then that is a different matter, but if we have people there making sure it is not for arms then I see no reason that they should have to dismantle nuclear operations for peaceful purposes, if indeed that is their aim.

[FaraxZeroIncome]

(Original post by Metrobeans)

M19 - Response to Events in Iran, TSR Conservative

This House notes has been noting for some time the worrying actions of Iran with regards to its nuclear program.

Furthermore, we fear that Iran's nuclear program will be not, as stated, be used for merely peaceful efforts, but rather the development of nuclear weapons for use against our soldiers in the middle eastern front as well as our allies in the region.

Therefore, this House, along with our allies, demands that Iran immediately begin ending its nuclear program by dismantling its nuclear processing facilities.

To ensure that Iran has indeed dismantled its nuclear program, this House also demands that Iran allow the entry of United Nations weapons inspectors into the country every six months for five years to ensure that not only has their program been dismantled, but also remains dismantled.

Should Iran choose to ignore this House, and continue with its nuclear program, then we shall not fail or falter, we shall not weaken or tire in our responsibility to defend the United Kingdom and her allies from the grave and terrible threat of a Nuclear armed Iran.

LEAVE THE COUNTRY ALONE! It hasn't invaded a country in over 300 years and hasn't ONCE gone against the non-proliferation treaty!

What the hell is your problem, and the "wipe Israel of the map" has been debunked, go get a friend or something !

[Anony mouse]

(Original post by TSR Conservative)
Should Iran choose to ignore this House, and continue with its nuclear program, then we shall not fail or falter, we shall not weaken or tire in our responsibility to defend the United Kingdom and her allies from the grave and terrible threat of a Nuclear armed Iran.

This paragraph contains too many weasel words.

Should Iran choose to ignore this house, what exactly are you going to do about it?

[toronto353]

I would like to say that this would be good to send to the MUN for discussion and is a good way to involve both groups.

With regards to the Motion:

Didn't we have this over Iraq? They are building weapons, they have weapons etc. If Iran wants nuclear power, let it we have no right to interfere. However, if it wants a weapon, consider the reality. Any attempt to fire one bomb would result in MAD and the destruction of Iran. Iran has far more to lose than to gain from nuclear weapons. They're mad, but not that mad....

[Student2806]

While I agree with the sentiments of this Motion in calling for Iran to be more open about its nuclear program and meet its obligations under the NPT, it's far too simplistic for my liking.

For example, who are "United Nations weapons inspectors"? A very vague term which I think incorrectly assumes that the International Atomic Energy Agency is part of the UN.

Furthermore, we fear that Iran's nuclear program will be not, as stated, be used for merely peaceful efforts, but rather the development of nuclear weapons for use against our soldiers in the middle eastern front as well as our allies in the region.

- Are the TSR Conservatives really suggesting that Iran will nuke Iraq and/or Afghanistan?

Therefore, this House, along with our allies, demands that Iran immediately begin ending its nuclear program by dismantling its nuclear processing facilities.

Who are "our allies" exactly? And how do you know whoever they are agree with you?

There is also one glaring omission that has been completely ignored in this Motion - Israel. Would the TSR Conservatives explain their stance on this elephant in the room?

[Student2806]

The Government will make a statement on this issue in the very near future.

[Smack]

What is there to suggest that Iran has uranium enrichment capabilities to a high enough purity to actually create a nuclear weapon? It's all very well having nuclear power plants, but that doesn't mean you can then create a nuclear weapon.

[Democracy]

(Original post by Metrobeans)

M19 - Response to Events in Iran, TSR Conservative

This House notes has been noting for some time the worrying actions of Iran with regards to its nuclear program.

Furthermore, we fear that Iran's nuclear program will be not, as stated, be used for merely peaceful efforts, but rather the development of nuclear weapons for use against our soldiers in the middle eastern front as well as our allies in the region.

Therefore, this House, along with our allies, demands that Iran immediately begin ending its nuclear program by dismantling its nuclear processing facilities.

To ensure that Iran has indeed dismantled its nuclear program, this House also demands that Iran allow the entry of United Nations weapons inspectors into the country every six months for five years to ensure that not only has their program been dismantled, but also remains dismantled.

Should Iran choose to ignore this House, and continue with its nuclear program, then we shall not fail or falter, we shall not weaken or tire in our responsibility to defend the United Kingdom and her allies from the grave and terrible threat of a Nuclear armed Iran.

Typical lame attempt at diplomacy with thugs and terrorists.

Regime change is the only way to ensure that the Islamic Republic's nuclear programme is stopped.

[DayneD89]

Have the TSR tories asked if the MUN rep for the allies (as the term is used in this motion) countries will support this? Remember that the HoCs actions may effect our international appearance? The MHoC is not the UK in the MUN! A country may be RL allies, but we could move ourselves into any block of allies we want. Maybe speaking for other countries wouldnt be good at the moment.

[thunder_chunky]

So far Iran have no actually openly threatend the west. Whether they do or don't have the capacity to make nuclear weapons doesn't matter. They have not threatend either the UK or the USA.

The fact that they have threatend Israel is none of our business.

Furthermore if Iran did try to start a war with Israel, the latter would well and truly wipe the floor with former.

All this hype about Iran is just that, hype.
If Iran wanted to flaunt their nuclear weapons they would.
If they wanted to threaten the US and UK they would, openly.

But they haven't.

So I think we should all just cool our boots.

[xXedixXx]

Leave Iran and the middle east to sort themselves out...

The more we get involved, the more of a target we become..

The British Government's responsibility is to protect and run Britain not protect the USA's interests...oil.

[adamrules247]

(Original post by Student2806)




There is also one glaring omission that has been completely ignored in this Motion - Israel. Would the TSR Conservatives explain their stance on this elephant in the room?

Sorry, but why in the name of the Good Lord above are you wittering on about Israel. I'm pretty certain they aren't going to Nuke us.

[xXedixXx]

(Original post by adamrules247)
Sorry, but why in the name of the Good Lord above are you wittering on about Israel. I'm pretty certain they aren't going to Nuke us.

I think what he's getting at is why is there one rule for some and another rule for others?

[adamrules247]

(Original post by xXedixXx)
I think what he's getting at is why is there one rule for some and another rule for others?

Well there is no argument in what he's saying in that case. Israel is a liberal and democratic nation that has never desired to make war on us. Iran is a theocracy run by nutters who, or at least some, believe that nuking the west will take them closer to Allah.

[SciFiRory]

this should be a fantastic waste of time that will acomplish nothing then.

[Iron Mike]

(Original post by adamrules247)
Well there is no argument in what he's saying in that case. Israel is a liberal and democratic nation that has never desired to make war on us. Iran is a theocracy run by nutters who, or at least some, believe that nuking the west will take them closer to Allah.

Has any Iranian official made this claim?
As for Israel ,making no threats regarding a possible strike on us, that is not true. As shown below.

“We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force…. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.”

- Martin van Creveld, Israeli military strategist, 2003.