So you say that being Gay is something that God gave you...?

tbf you haven't sourced any of your claims either. I've seen identical twin studies which were around 50% rather than 70%.

"For the Bible Tells Me So" (2007) Daniel G. Karslake. I don't know what the exact source for this is but I can look for it if you like.

Whatever the percentages, all studies have identified the same trend. The most frequently quoted study concluded that 52% of identical twin brothers of gay men also were gay, compared with 22% of fraternal twins, compared with 11% of genetically unrelated brothers. Source: http://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/17/science/gay-men-in-twin-study.html

So, it's unnatural in the same way that having a favourite colour is unnatural?

The best you can come up with is a 20 year old study which is based on 56 identical twins (28 pairs) and 54 fraternal twins (27 pairs) who were recruited through gay interest magazines, of course a high percentage of them are going to be gay.

The best you can come up with is nothing. There are many other studies that show the same trend, it's only the percentages that change. And you haven't answered any of my questions.

You're wrong and you're making a fool of yourself.

Being gay is not a disease, it is not something you are genetically predisposed to, it is the way you are because of environmental factors and the choices you make, I have no problem with the people who make that choice.

The proof that will convince the masses will come in time, as it becomes more socially acceptable the number of people who are gay will drop, just like with vegetarianism.

Alright, alright. Interesting, interesting, that is, cool, cool...

...except for one incy-wincy, minor detail.

If God made you Gay then that means that something within your biology has made you Gay like you are.

It's like with Autism: it's in your blood. It is inherrently part of who and what you are. You are Autistic by blood. Autistic blood. Same with Gays: it's in your blood. It is inherrently part of who and what you are. You are Gay by blood. Gay blood.

A Straight person is Straight due to their biology. A Gay person is Gay due to their biology. Straight, Gay, Bi, Pan, Asexual-- ***************.

If you use the argument that God made you Gay or "that's just the way I am!" or such a similar argument, then no-one is having any of it. If this is so then you must accept that you are only Gay because of your biology. Same as a Straight person: we're only Straight because there's that bit of us that made us Straight and we could have very easily not been Straight.

Again, if being Gay is not a lifestyle choice then it must come from somewhere. Nothing stems from nowhere. Simple cause and effect in motion. Otherwise, being Gay or Straight or Bi or whatever you are is a lifestyle choice.

Finally, if it is something that God gave you, then that immediately means that if we had a look inside, through whichever medical techniques or methods are necessary/appropriate, we can find out what actually does make you `tick` as a Gay.

Done.

I personally do not understand homosexual people

Get Hetero, Homo

Being gay is not a disease, it is not something you are genetically predisposed to, it is the way you are because of environmental factors and the choices you make, I have no problem with the people who make that choice.

The proof that will convince the masses will come in time, as it becomes more socially acceptable the number of people who are gay will drop, just like with vegetarianism.

There are more people choosing to be gay now because society has eased the ''restrictions'' on it and it is seen acceptable to be a homo.

...Yep. I was right - this thread has descended into troll territory, and a few people trying to debate with their brains. ...Can I go bang my head against the wall now?

Yes, yes you can. Err, be mindful of the brain and blood splatter, you know, I just painted that wall last week, easy on that ****...

Thing is: how else was this thread going to turn out, really? (heh heh, I was actually half-waiting when I came back to see five pages worth of posts to see if you popped up anywhere. )

I think you've already made up your mind but this link might explain a bit more about the biology of being gay.

There's no reputable evidence to suggest post-natal environment plays any role and if you want to know whether it's a choice, you could just ask a gay person. (Hint - it's not).

That shows that some of the connections in the brains of homosexual men are different to those in heterosexual men, but scientists already know that environmental factors such as the career you choose and hobbies you take up change the connections in your brain. It's no different, environmental factors can change the physical characteristics of your brain.

There is no evidence to show that sexuality is anyway influenced by genetics, and statistical data suggests that genetics don't play any part in sexual preference. It is inherently (excuse the pun) impossible to prove that genetics don't play a role in something, but it would be relatively straightforward to prove that they do.

Scientists have mapped the human genome, they know which genes control hair colour, eye colour, height, the vast majority of hereditary diseases and yet, despite looking for longer than just about any other trait, they have never found a gay gene.

this doesn't show that gay people are born gay... environment can cause hormonal imbalances.