[DaveSmith99]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...an-Persie.html

Poor Bobby

[Slick Fosbury]

People will make a big thing about this, but he has the expectations of a man with unlimited funds. Hence everything needs to be in that context.

[Laertes]

(Original post by DaveSmith99)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...an-Persie.html

Poor Bobby

It's written by 'Sportsmail Reporter', I think I'll wait for a more reputable source.

[DaveSmith99]

(Original post by Laertes)
It's written by 'Sportsmail Reporter', I think I'll wait for a more reputable source.

It's on pretty much every media outlet, chose the Mail as it had the most sensationalist headline

[Laertes]

(Original post by DaveSmith99)
It's on pretty much every media outlet, choose the Mail as it had the most sensationalist headline

True enough there has been a recurring theme. It's worth noting that almost every article - at least those that have byline - has been written by a reporter covering London teams rather than the Manchester reporters.

Either way, hopefully the RvP saga will reach a conclusion sooner rather than later.

[J.Star]

(Original post by Kevmeister)
They've both won things with their club, and in Totti's case, with his country too. I think his main point was that he believes, as his prerogative, that Wilshere won't go on to do much of note in his career, ie win much, which is what football at elite level is all about, despite Wenger/Gazidis saying otherwise.

If you agree with that other guy, which you probably do, based on your record of disliking all things Arsenal, how can you possibly make the assumption that Wilshere won't win any major competitions with Arsenal? Assuming Jack stays with us almost his whole career (I'm not saying he will but it is to allow a fair comparison with Totti and Gerrard), he will have a good 12 years or more left, in which there is a very good chance we will win trophies.

(If you weren't agreeing with the other guy, my apologies, in which case this post goes to him or any that agreed with his post).

[Slick Fosbury]

(Original post by J.Star)
If you agree with that other guy, which you probably do, based on your record of disliking all things Arsenal, how can you possibly make the assumption that Wilshere won't win any major competitions with Arsenal? Assuming Jack stays with us almost his whole career (I'm not saying he will but it is to allow a fair comparison with Totti and Gerrard), he will have a good 12 years or more left, in which there is a very good chance we will win trophies.

(If you weren't agreeing with the other guy, my apologies, in which case this post goes to him or any that agreed with his post).

Because you're a similar club to Liverpool of the past 20 years. You won't win a title, and I doubt you'll win a CL like Liverpool did.

You could however win an FA cup or a UEFA cup or something, but even if he plays a key part in that it doesn't make him a top player.

[fallen_acorns]

(Original post by Slick Fosbury)
Because you're a similar club to Liverpool of the past 20 years. You won't win a title, and I doubt you'll win a CL like Liverpool did.

You could however win an FA cup or a UEFA cup or something, but even if he plays a key part in that it doesn't make him a top player.

to be fair.. if someone had said 12 years ago - that city will win the title... everyone would have laughed in their face.

12 years is a long long time, and anything can happen. writing any top 4/6 team off as -never winning a title- is very bold...

[Slick Fosbury]

(Original post by fallen_acorns)
to be fair.. if someone had said 12 years ago - that city will win the title... everyone would have laughed in their face.

12 years is a long long time, and anything can happen. writing any top 4/6 team off as -never winning a title- is very bold...

Until your fanbase stops being so soft you'll always have soft teams, and soft teams don't win titles. Aside from relegation you won't shed your soft fanbase, hence you won't win titles.

[Zürich]

(Original post by Slick Fosbury)
Because you're a similar club to Liverpool of the past 20 years. You won't win a title, and I doubt you'll win a CL like Liverpool did.

You could however win an FA cup or a UEFA cup or something, but even if he plays a key part in that it doesn't make him a top player.

LOL at a City fan belittling Arsenal's history. You lot were fighting it out with Gillingham for promotion from League 1 not so long ago and wouldn't even be in the Europa League but for the Sheik

[BlueSmarties]

(Original post by Zürich)
LOL at a City fan belittling Arsenal's history. You lot were fighting it out with Gillingham for promotion from League 1 not so long ago and wouldn't even be in the Europa League but for the Sheik

We were extremely successful in the 60's, oh and we were in Europe before the Sheikh.

[Slick Fosbury]

(Original post by Zürich)
LOL at a City fan belittling Arsenal's history. You lot were fighting it out with Gillingham for promotion from League 1 not so long ago and wouldn't even be in the Europa League but for the Sheik

You are aware that 20 years ago Liverpool were the most successful English club and no-one would argue with that? Comparing you to them is hardly a slight on your history.

Also you lot wouldn't be a top division side but for the sly moves taken by your chairman to unfairly be voted into the top division? Unless of course it's possible that neither of us have a ****ing clue how things would have played out if it wasn't for x, y and z.

[419]

(Original post by Slick Fosbury)
Kev has got it in one.

Wilshere will probably be a good player and if he wants to move clubs he could play a part in sides that win things. But he'll go on to have a career similar to Gareth Barry's depending on when he finally joins a top club. That's compared to a career like Lampard or Gerrard, ie top talents who play a major role in winning major competitions.

Nothing wrong with that in itself, I have a lot of respect for Barry. But Barry never had the same potential as Wilshere.

Comparing Wilshere to Barry

[Slick Fosbury]

(Original post by 419)
Comparing Wilshere to Barry

They play a very similar role in the team. Not really scoring or assisting, just driving the ball forward and keeping it ticking over. Wilshere is a better dribbler, and Barry a far better defender.

They are in fact very comparable, and if you can't see that then frankly you've lost the plot.

[J.Star]

(Original post by Slick Fosbury)
Because you're a similar club to Liverpool of the past 20 years. You won't win a title, and I doubt you'll win a CL like Liverpool did.

You could however win an FA cup or a UEFA cup or something, but even if he plays a key part in that it doesn't make him a top player.

Lol, why don't you actually answe the question this time?

How can you possibly know that Arsenal won't win a top honour within the next 12 years? (Top honour=PL or CL btw).

Manchester City wern't even in the Premier League 12 years ago lol

[Slick Fosbury]

(Original post by J.Star)
Lol, why don't you actually answe the question this time?

How can you possibly know that Arsenal won't win a top honour within the next 12 years? (Top honour=PL or CL btw).

Manchester City wern't even in the Premier League 12 years ago lol

I said before, your fans are soft and it permeates the club.

[J.Star]

(Original post by Slick Fosbury)
I said before, your fans are soft and it permeates the club.

Lol your not bring serious, surely?

Firstly, explain to me how our fans are 'soft'.

Secondly, do you not think other factors such as the financial situation, tactics and player experience are more important than having 'soft' fans (whatever the **** that means).

Arsenal will be a lot more compeititive once we can upgrade our sponsorship and are not shackled by debt due to the Emirates, however the irony is Wenger may not still be at the club when this time comes.

[Slick Fosbury]

(Original post by J.Star)
Lol your not bring serious, surely?

Firstly, explain to me how our fans are 'soft'.

Secondly, do you not think other factors such as the financial situation, tactics and player experience are more important than having 'soft' fans (whatever the **** that means).

Arsenal will be a lot more compeititive once we can upgrade our sponsorship and are not shackled by debt due to the Emirates, however the irony is Wenger may not still be at the club when this time comes.

You've had the best side in the league a few times since you moved to the Emirates, and sometimes they were comfortably the best. Tactics are mo0re self formative than people like to make out.

The issue with Arsenal is your players lack desire to win. And that's nothing to do with the players themselves. Nasri has more than the majority of our squad, Fab seems very driven and even Adebayor came to you full of it and left with it too.

At every point there is an excuse from your manager and board. Generally at first you weren't winning but you were playing the best football, then you weren't winning but you were being bullied out of games, then you weren't winning but you were financially self sufficient. And even when it's not a general point its little things like after the 8-2 loss all the players who were out etc.

Until you stop lapping up the excuses the board and manager will give them, and the players will use them to pre-justify failure and hence failure will follow.

[Zerforax]

Bid for Rodwell has been accepted

[The Rusty Spork]

Why bother!? How much have they bid for him?