BBC = biased Guardian TV.

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loafer

Thats self-fulfilling, the Guardian is seen as where you want to go to get a media job because thats where gigantic BBC place their advertising. The market will follow them.

LOL there's 11 BBC jobs on there. So that leaves 1038 others to choose from :p:

(There are also 29 with the mighty Future Publishing. The only left-leaning they do is when talking about cornering on motorcycles.)

It's always been this way. If you work in the media are are looking for a job, The Guardian's the best place to search. Nothing to do with the BBC at all.

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perrytheplatypus

As far as I know, the guardian has 5% the market, which is the largest of any broadsheet.
The sun has something like 33%...

Though it's 2002 data so may be outdated...

As said in the first post - The Times, Telegraph, Daily Record and Financial Times all have higher circulation.

Actually The Guardian is the 10th most 'popular' newspaper - only one national paper sells fewer copies.

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Margaret Thatcher

perrytheplatypus

As far as I know, the guardian has 5% the market, which is the largest of any broadsheet.
The sun has something like 33%...

Though it's 2002 data so may be outdated...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_Kingdom_by_circulation

See 2010.

Reply 23

Gandalf_is_a_girl

Margaret Thatcher

No.

The Daily Mail is much more popular. :teehee:

It is horrifying to think that the British public has so low an IQ as to actually read that rag in their droves.

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username359983

loafer

Circulation does'nt matter for specialist recruitment, even Sky advertises its jobs on the Guardians website.

Reply 25

callum9999

Margaret Thatcher

That's bull ****. Look at polls on the death penalty and immigration. You won't see an 'overall left-wing leaning' there. :teehee:

The BBC can be as ashamedly liberal and socialist as it wishes - when it isn't receiving money from license fee payers around the country with differing political and cultural sensitivities.

If the BBC can't remain neutral, then the license fee needs to be abolished.

It's not really possible for an organisation ran by humans to remain neutral is it. Everyone has their own views, and no matter how hard they try, when reporting about news with competing points of view, some of it will show.

The right call the BBC biased to the left, the left call the BBC biased to the right, because the BBC reporting is to the left/right of their opinions respectively. I think they have an acceptable level of neutrality.

Plus the news department is only 10% of what the BBC does - why abolish the whole fee because you judge that the BBC is unacceptably biased?

Reply 26

Sweet_Comrade

attiegina

I'm glad that the BBC represents this country's overall left-wing leanings.

Yeah but it doesn't.
I'd say it's more liberal than left-wing. It's expressed pretty un-left views on some issues.

Reply 27

Cesare Borgia

sam.day

I don't think the BBC is particularly biased in comparison to any other broadcasting company / news company. And if human rights and modern civil liberites are left wing, then lol.

It is however the only state funded one, and therefore should be impartial.

Reply 28

AntiMonarchist

abolish the licence fee, let em be as liberal as they want then, I still won't be watching

Reply 29

837491

callum9999

The right call the BBC biased to the left, the left call the BBC biased to the right, because the BBC reporting is to the left/right of their opinions respectively. I think they have an acceptable level of neutrality.

The BBC admitted and condemned themselves for having a liberal bias.

I don't think that any sane rational person thinks that the BBC has a right-wing bias.

Reply 30

Margaret Thatcher

JmsG

Good, theres always going to be some sort of bias, but this case I wouldn't see it as party political, just some sensible liberal values that need to be displayed.

What if a large proportion, if not the majority, of its license fee customer base don't subscribe to these 'sensible liberal values'?

Reply 31

Banburyhammer

I think the news is more culturally liberal in its bias more than anything, and OP, the second quote is more about the BBC's duties as a PSB, left of centre thinking being taking more risks as opposed to any political affliation.

Anyway, Britain is cultarally liberal, its hardly surprising that the BBC, which employs predominantly british people is then more cultually liberal in its news output is it?

Reply 32

munro90

loafer

Yet guardian.co.uk has one of the highest online readerships vying with the mail and telegraph for the top spot.
Tbh the BBC may have a slightly left/liberal bias but so does the country, more people cumulatively vote for the LibDems and Labour than the Tories. The BBC produces some of the best TV broadcasting in the world, as well as a widely read website and amazing radio, and certainly much better than the murdoch-ite rubbish that is the pretty much the sole alternative in this country. More to the point it is one of the most independent news sources around, the government has no real control of it - thus its constant spinning against this notional bias - and there is no owner in the shadows exerting an influence a la Sky. All that for the price of the license fee is quite a bargain!

Reply 33

Banburyhammer

Margaret Thatcher

What if a large proportion, if not the majority, of its license fee customer base don't subscribe to these 'sensible liberal values'?

But the British people are cultrally liberal, hence the news output of the BBC is cultarlly liberal. In the US, the more right wing culture that exists there will manifest itself in its news coverage. It not surprising at all.

Reply 34

Phantom_X

cool story

i dont think the bbc is that left wing tbh...

Reply 35

The_Male_Melons

callum9999

True. Agreed.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2O-L8tURj0 - Evidence of BBC "Left Wing" Bias.

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If anything, my only problem with the BBC is that I feel it should introduce an international Iplayer and revamp the content provided on the BBC worldwide channels.
Other than that, BBC is a fantastic institution.
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Reply 36

Krakatoa

Weren't the recruitment budget on each paper discuessed on a thread here the other day? and the general consensus was because of the Guardian Media section, which is where those who want to get a job in media go for vacancies.

Reply 37

Margaret Thatcher

Banburyhammer

Do you have any evidence to back this up? Looking at polls on immigration and the death penalty imply that the majority of Britons aren't that liberal.

Reply 38

callum9999

loafer

The BBC admitted and condemned themselves for having a liberal bias.

I don't think that any sane rational person thinks that the BBC has a right-wing bias.

What, the report in your first post? Hardly. The biggest examples of alleged bias in that were the 3D weather maps making the South East look bigger and some nonsense about temperatures in cities, and the coverage of Live8 and make povery history.

A quick search on right-wing bias brought up an article about the BBCs flagship political presenters.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-yes-the-bbc-is-biased--but-to-the-right-443954.html

Not really the sorts of people an organisation with an unacceptably extreme left-wing, liberal bias would be employing, surely?

Reply 39

837491

munro90

Tbh the BBC may have a slightly left/liberal bias but so does the country, more people cumulatively vote for the LibDems and Labour than the Tories..... bargain!