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Re: Law Students - Chat ThreadThankyou for your reply. What happened was, I enquired to the university as to whether I could transfer into their second year LLB Law course, I would have to repeat second year there, but I would still be able to. They agreed that this would be fine to do, after looking at my transcript, and having every opportunity to ring my other university. It was confirmed via UCAS and everything was fine and dandy until a couple of weeks before when it was pointed out to me that they do Criminal Law in second year, whereas I had already done it, and there were some other irregularities. They realised that the courses weren't compatible and said the only thing they could do to make it close to qualifying is to offer me property and trusts 1 and law of tort which is the ones i was missing as additional modules to my degree though they wouldn't be counted towards my degree as there wasnt enough room credits. I took them modules and wasnt able to sit them this summer due to medical reasons and I still have those medical reasons . I decided to contact the SRA today as noone else had done within the university and they told me that there is no point in me doing them as it won't make the degree qualifying and I will have to do it as part of the GDL .(Original post by Tortious)
I'm not sure it'd count as fraud since it sounds like they're (potentially) incompetent rather than having the intention to make a gain or cause a loss.
I think it'll depend on the nature of the circumstances. If it's as Zedd suggests and you were led to believe that the degree was qualifying when it never was (and the university didn't ever mean for it to be), that could be fraud.
If the degree was meant to be qualifying (and the university meant it to be) but it was negligently taught so you didn't cover some of the qualifying material, I think you'd have a civil case but there wouldn't be a crime.
Either way, this page looks useful - to be honest, I've never been in a situation where I've had to deal with complaints against a university, so I wouldn't be sure where to start. What action have you taken so far? Is there any benefit in firing off an email to your students' union to see whether they can put you in touch with someone who knows their way around the complaints system? As that site (above) says, I think you need to explore all options internally first, although it doesn't sound like there's anything the university can do to rectify its mistake!
EDIT: Something else that might prove interesting is to Westlaw cases involving your university to see who its solicitors are. Hopefully that'll give you an idea of who might specialise in this kind of thing if you do decide to sue!
I went to go get free legal advice this evening from a solicitors which run a weekly evening service and it turns out he did his GDL at my university and practised with some people that teach there. He's told me to go to my students union to go see their liaison representative , and then he's told me to go see his friends that teaches there as a law lecturer and to tell her i saw him, and hopefully something should be sorted. he said its ridiculous, and that none of these rules the universities set are set in statute and they should let me replace two of my electives for third year with these two modules I need so that it is qualifying. he told me to come back to him next week if i don't get anywhere. -
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Re: Law Students - Chat ThreadAh, I see - hopefully this gets sorted out! Best of luck with it.(Original post by insignificant)
Thankyou for your reply. What happened was, I enquired to the university as to whether I could transfer into their second year LLB Law course, I would have to repeat second year there, but I would still be able to. They agreed that this would be fine to do, after looking at my transcript, and having every opportunity to ring my other university. It was confirmed via UCAS and everything was fine and dandy until a couple of weeks before when it was pointed out to me that they do Criminal Law in second year, whereas I had already done it, and there were some other irregularities. They realised that the courses weren't compatible and said the only thing they could do to make it close to qualifying is to offer me property and trusts 1 and law of tort which is the ones i was missing as additional modules to my degree though they wouldn't be counted towards my degree as there wasnt enough room credits. I took them modules and wasnt able to sit them this summer due to medical reasons and I still have those medical reasons . I decided to contact the SRA today as noone else had done within the university and they told me that there is no point in me doing them as it won't make the degree qualifying and I will have to do it as part of the GDL .
I went to go get free legal advice this evening from a solicitors which run a weekly evening service and it turns out he did his GDL at my university and practised with some people that teach there. He's told me to go to my students union to go see their liaison representative , and then he's told me to go see his friends that teaches there as a law lecturer and to tell her i saw him, and hopefully something should be sorted. he said its ridiculous, and that none of these rules the universities set are set in statute and they should let me replace two of my electives for third year with these two modules I need so that it is qualifying. he told me to come back to him next week if i don't get anywhere.
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Re: Law Students - Chat ThreadAnything more practical was more enjoyable for me. So negotiation, mediation, mooting. Actually feeling like I was doing something closer to what I would do in the real world. As for the academic subjects, I really enjoyed everything to do with banking and financial crime as well as medical law and ethics.(Original post by imasupercoolgeek)
I'm starting law in September! How is it? And what's your favourite module?
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Re: Law Students - Chat ThreadEquity and Aspects of Obligations (advanced contract/tort, intro to unjust enrichment) were my favourites. It was a tough course, but I really enjoyed it.(Original post by imasupercoolgeek)
I'm starting law in September! How is it? And what's your favourite module?
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Re: Law Students - Chat ThreadJurisprudence. I really enjoyed the philosophy aspect of law.(Original post by imasupercoolgeek)
I'm starting law in September! How is it? And what's your favourite module?
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Re: Law Students - Chat ThreadHmmm ... probably labour law was my favourite though Aspects of Obligations was pretty good as was contract.(Original post by imasupercoolgeek)
I'm starting law in September! How is it? And what's your favourite module?
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Re: Law Students - Chat ThreadI have been thinking of which book to get for trusts, and I'm now choosing between Graham Virgo and Alastair Hudson.
Hudson's book has many positive comments. What about Virgo's? I can't find much online about that as the book is very new (it just came out this year!)
Any advice will be much appreciated
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Re: Law Students - Chat ThreadMy university put up the modules for this academic year, I seem to have gotten my desired module choices. Private International Law and English Law of Obligations in the first semester and Private Law of Scotland III and Company Law in the second semester. It's 3 seminars (2 hours each) in the first semester plus tutorials. A significant step down from the 13 contact hours from prior years but I'd imagine there is a greater workload in preparing for the seminars given the shift from teaching lectures to completely independent learning followed up by active discussion of your work, so a bit like extended 2 hour long tutorials.
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Re: Law Students - Chat ThreadWhat side of Law are you interested in pursuing as a career (if any)?(Original post by Ape Gone Insane)
My university put up the modules for this academic year, I seem to have gotten my desired module choices. Private International Law and English Law of Obligations in the first semester and Private Law of Scotland III and Company Law in the second semester. It's 3 seminars (2 hours each) in the first semester plus tutorials. A significant step down from the 13 contact hours from prior years but I'd imagine there is a greater workload in preparing for the seminars given the shift from teaching lectures to completely independent learning followed up by active discussion of your work, so a bit like extended 2 hour long tutorials. -
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Re: Law Students - Chat ThreadIt would definitely be either Commercial, Corporate or Tax. Neither are particularly intriguing as academic subjects but they are the only subjects that are appealing and interesting to me from a practical and career perspective. Though I'll have to settle for a more procedural based and, quite possibly, less intellectually stimulating life as a solicitor over a barrister/advocate. I don't fancy trying my chances at the brutal Bar.(Original post by RobertWhite)
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Re: Law Students - Chat ThreadTax law
My courses look to beTerrorism in International and European Criminal Law, Comparative Private Law, Competition Law, Intro to Copyright (possibly without an exam), International Copyright and another 10 ECTS I still need to chose for next semester.
Both my law modules this semester don't start until October, it's kind of odd.
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Re: Law Students - Chat ThreadThat would be my choice too, though I do enjoy reading about corporate Law more than other subjects as well. I won't try the bar either, I don't fancy the competition nor the work.(Original post by Ape Gone Insane)
It would definitely be either Commercial, Corporate or Tax. Neither are particularly intriguing as academic subjects but they are the only subjects that are appealing and interesting to me from a practical and career perspective. Though I'll have to settle for a more procedural based and, quite possibly, less intellectually stimulating life as a solicitor over a barrister/advocate. I don't fancy trying my chances at the brutal Bar. -
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I'd try to read both a bit before buying. I had Virgo for a lot of lectures (never supervisions, alas), and have read his restitution book and the criminal book he edited. He is very goods, but whether a text is useful for you can be quite personal.
I unreservedly recommend Webb and Akkouh as a short, very clear text.
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