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Relationship between the UK and US turning sour?
In light of the BP oil spill controversy and the fact that BP was British being highlighted by Obama, the amount of scrutiny they got etc, some people over here felt a bit cynical about it and found the Americans to be picking at the Brits slightly
Not to defend BP or anything, for relentless negligence, stupidity and lies though, I've just been getting the feeling that the normal levels of hatred and cynicism and sarcasm against Americans in the UK anyway has just been increasing and atm is higher than ever for some odd reason
That is with people not liking Obama, his policies yadda yadda yadda, and disliking the American government more and more
Bill Clinton awarding Tony Blair yesterday and with him generally being more liked / appreciated in the US, loads of people here are pretty disgusted by it and enraged
And with this kid getting banned from America forever, yet again just starting discussions and conversations on the relationship, whether it's the same as it's always been, a bit strained or non existent even
I'd say people on both sides of the atlantic are starting to feel more alienated and slightly seperated from either country for whatever reason, maybe it's cos of our new government also, Cameron doesn't seem to want to cosy up to America too much or Just follow them into anything, unlike Blair which.... is a good thing imo
Thoughts?
Not to defend BP or anything, for relentless negligence, stupidity and lies though, I've just been getting the feeling that the normal levels of hatred and cynicism and sarcasm against Americans in the UK anyway has just been increasing and atm is higher than ever for some odd reason
That is with people not liking Obama, his policies yadda yadda yadda, and disliking the American government more and more
Bill Clinton awarding Tony Blair yesterday and with him generally being more liked / appreciated in the US, loads of people here are pretty disgusted by it and enraged
And with this kid getting banned from America forever, yet again just starting discussions and conversations on the relationship, whether it's the same as it's always been, a bit strained or non existent even
I'd say people on both sides of the atlantic are starting to feel more alienated and slightly seperated from either country for whatever reason, maybe it's cos of our new government also, Cameron doesn't seem to want to cosy up to America too much or Just follow them into anything, unlike Blair which.... is a good thing imo
Thoughts?
BP's hardly British.
Tony Blair's a good man, the imbeciles on our side of the pond are an uneducated bunch.
Cameron will cosy up.
Tony Blair's a good man, the imbeciles on our side of the pond are an uneducated bunch.
Cameron will cosy up.
I don't think a kid getting banned from the States and Tony Blair getting some kind of award really affects the special relationship between the UK and the USA.
Honestly I think that the relationship has been overplayed in the past. It's been more of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' type of relationship (World War 1/2 and the cold war - amoung other things) now there aren't really any defining moments that force us together (arguably the 'war' on terror, but not that many people really feared it and the two wars which were meant to deal with it turned sour). I wouldn't say the relationship has turned sour, just faded a bit.
lukejoshjedi
In light of the BP oil spill controversy and the fact that BP was British being highlighted by Obama, the amount of scrutiny they got etc, some people over here felt a bit cynical about it and found the Americans to be picking at the Brits slightly
Not to defend BP or anything, for relentless negligence, stupidity and lies though, I've just been getting the feeling that the normal levels of hatred and cynicism and sarcasm against Americans in the UK anyway has just been increasing and atm is higher than ever for some odd reason
That is with people not liking Obama, his policies yadda yadda yadda, and disliking the American government more and more
Bill Clinton awarding Tony Blair yesterday and with him generally being more liked / appreciated in the US, loads of people here are pretty disgusted by it and enraged
And with this kid getting banned from America forever, yet again just starting discussions and conversations on the relationship, whether it's the same as it's always been, a bit strained or non existent even
I'd say people on both sides of the atlantic are starting to feel more alienated and slightly seperated from either country for whatever reason, maybe it's cos of our new government also, Cameron doesn't seem to want to cosy up to America too much or Just follow them into anything, unlike Blair which.... is a good thing imo
Thoughts?
Not to defend BP or anything, for relentless negligence, stupidity and lies though, I've just been getting the feeling that the normal levels of hatred and cynicism and sarcasm against Americans in the UK anyway has just been increasing and atm is higher than ever for some odd reason
That is with people not liking Obama, his policies yadda yadda yadda, and disliking the American government more and more
Bill Clinton awarding Tony Blair yesterday and with him generally being more liked / appreciated in the US, loads of people here are pretty disgusted by it and enraged
And with this kid getting banned from America forever, yet again just starting discussions and conversations on the relationship, whether it's the same as it's always been, a bit strained or non existent even
I'd say people on both sides of the atlantic are starting to feel more alienated and slightly seperated from either country for whatever reason, maybe it's cos of our new government also, Cameron doesn't seem to want to cosy up to America too much or Just follow them into anything, unlike Blair which.... is a good thing imo
Thoughts?
Because we Brits have finally got a Prime Minister worthy of his title, and not some grovelling socialist. Tony Blair, and the Labour Party in general, are an absolute embarrassment to this country. The days of sucking up to America are, hopefully, over. The only reason our admirable nation lost its Empire was because we quite literally saved the world. I've heard countless Yanks remark that if it were not for America, Britain would be speaking German. Perhaps this is true, but even truer still, is that were it not for Britain, America would be speaking German.
It is difficult to evade the fact that the British are unequivocally superior to Americans. God save the Queen!
...I may also point out that the 'special relationship' is a complete fallacy and that Americans don't see it that way. I sh*t on the 'special relationship' - we can do without them.
rylit91
Because we Brits have finally got a Prime Minister worthy of his title, and not some grovelling socialist. Tony Blair, and the Labour Party in general, are an absolute embarrassment to this country. The days of sucking up to America are, hopefully, over. The only reason our admirable nation lost its Empire was because we quite literally saved the world. I've heard countless Yanks remark that if it were not for America, Britain would be speaking German. Perhaps this is true, but even truer still, is that were it not for Britain, America would be speaking German.
It is difficult to evade the fact that the British are unequivocally superior to Americans. God save the Queen!
...I may also point out that the 'special relationship' is a complete fallacy and that Americans don't see it that way. I sh*t on the 'special relationship' - we can do without them.
It is difficult to evade the fact that the British are unequivocally superior to Americans. God save the Queen!
...I may also point out that the 'special relationship' is a complete fallacy and that Americans don't see it that way. I sh*t on the 'special relationship' - we can do without them.
Britain uber alles, and all that..
yes
America wants to Britain to join a Federal Europe
anyone who think otherwise is kidding themselves...America nearly bankrupted the empire during the suez canal crises and but is happy to watch Isreal commit genocide
and charged top dollar during WW2 but gave the Russians an easy ride
America wants to Britain to join a Federal Europe
anyone who think otherwise is kidding themselves...America nearly bankrupted the empire during the suez canal crises and but is happy to watch Isreal commit genocide
and charged top dollar during WW2 but gave the Russians an easy ride
I don't see us as enemies for the mid-term future, so no reason to worry yet.
lukejoshjedi
In light of the BP oil spill controversy and the fact that BP was British being highlighted by Obama, the amount of scrutiny they got etc, some people over here felt a bit cynical about it and found the Americans to be picking at the Brits slightly
Not to defend BP or anything, for relentless negligence, stupidity and lies though, I've just been getting the feeling that the normal levels of hatred and cynicism and sarcasm against Americans in the UK anyway has just been increasing and atm is higher than ever for some odd reason
Thoughts?
Not to defend BP or anything, for relentless negligence, stupidity and lies though, I've just been getting the feeling that the normal levels of hatred and cynicism and sarcasm against Americans in the UK anyway has just been increasing and atm is higher than ever for some odd reason
Thoughts?
BP was pure anti British Sentiment a French or Chinese firm would never get treated like that
+Falklands favouring Argentina
+Europe
+sending gitmo prisoners to overseas British territory with out telling us
+ignoring our advice on Iraq and treating us like ****
+telling Tony Blair to keep Gordon Brown out of Power
+ insulting our judicial system over the lockerbie bomber
+ torturing people at Diego Garcia with out telling us
Americans dont give a **** about GB
US foreign policy has been to replace the British Empire with the USA
Thomassss
BP was pure anti British Sentiment a French or Chinese firm would never get treated like that
+Falklands favouring Argentina
+Europe
+sending gitmo prisoners to overseas British territory with out telling us
+ignoring our advice on Iraq and treating us like ****
+telling Tony Blair to keep Gordon Brown out of Power
+ insulting our judicial system over the lockerbie bomber
+ torturing people at Diego Garcia with out telling us
Americans dont give a **** about GB
US foreign policy has been to replace the British Empire with the USA
+Falklands favouring Argentina
+Europe
+sending gitmo prisoners to overseas British territory with out telling us
+ignoring our advice on Iraq and treating us like ****
+telling Tony Blair to keep Gordon Brown out of Power
+ insulting our judicial system over the lockerbie bomber
+ torturing people at Diego Garcia with out telling us
Americans dont give a **** about GB
US foreign policy has been to replace the British Empire with the USA
+ leading us into Iraq/Afghanistan
+ emphasising BP being British, well Obama anyway, didn't see the point? seemed like a national attack
+ Doesn't seem to be much collaboration or talks on troop withdrawal, it seems so specific to the country "Oh we'll withdraw OUR troops from Iraq, you do whatever the hell you want with yours there, even though we brought you in to invade with us, you know just do whatever, love America
+ Not having much collaboration / talks on foreign policy these days? It's so clear that the UK and US are so separate on certain issues these days, like the whole peace in the middle east thing... it's like there are totally different agendas in each country and it's starting to get more obvious
Can anyone here actually explain what BP did badly?
Despite all the complaints from the Americans it would seem that BP did nothing wrong, they picked the option with more long term stability, which you would presume means it's safer, obviously Americans don't think this way.
Most Americans also fail to acknowledge that BP was given the go ahead by American officials.
Despite all the complaints from the Americans it would seem that BP did nothing wrong, they picked the option with more long term stability, which you would presume means it's safer, obviously Americans don't think this way.
Most Americans also fail to acknowledge that BP was given the go ahead by American officials.
Lol remember when Obama gave Brown 25 region 1 dvds as a gift? Ouch! I think Obama has personal issues against Britain (his grandfather was tortured by Brits in Kenya).
lukejoshjedi
+ leading us into Iraq/Afghanistan
+ emphasising BP being British, well Obama anyway, didn't see the point? seemed like a national attack
+ Doesn't seem to be much collaboration or talks on troop withdrawal, it seems so specific to the country "Oh we'll withdraw OUR troops from Iraq, you do whatever the hell you want with yours there, even though we brought you in to invade with us, you know just do whatever, love America
+ Not having much collaboration / talks on foreign policy these days? It's so clear that the UK and US are so separate on certain issues these days, like the whole peace in the middle east thing... it's like there are totally different agendas in each country and it's starting to get more obvious
+ emphasising BP being British, well Obama anyway, didn't see the point? seemed like a national attack
+ Doesn't seem to be much collaboration or talks on troop withdrawal, it seems so specific to the country "Oh we'll withdraw OUR troops from Iraq, you do whatever the hell you want with yours there, even though we brought you in to invade with us, you know just do whatever, love America
+ Not having much collaboration / talks on foreign policy these days? It's so clear that the UK and US are so separate on certain issues these days, like the whole peace in the middle east thing... it's like there are totally different agendas in each country and it's starting to get more obvious
+ Training Bin Laden his network killed British Civilians
+ Installing a Corrupt Government which in unable to win over Afghans
+ Allocating the hell hole that is helmand to Britain when most of the Threats to Britain comes from the paktika province
I don't think most Americans blamed Britain for the oil spill. Most people I know still call it "British Petroleum." Until all the hoopla about the oil spill, I didn't know BP no longer stood for British Petroleum.
I don't think Americans hate the British. We like to make jokes, though. Most of us are too busy to worry about Britain.
The British kid getting banned from the US wasn't because he was British. It was because he was drunk and stupid.
I hadn't heard of Tony Blair getting that award before I logged on here.
According to the reports that came out, most of the responsibility for the oil spill falls on BP because they chose cheaper methods and materials, even though they were not as safe.
I don't think Americans hate the British. We like to make jokes, though. Most of us are too busy to worry about Britain.
The British kid getting banned from the US wasn't because he was British. It was because he was drunk and stupid.
I hadn't heard of Tony Blair getting that award before I logged on here.
According to the reports that came out, most of the responsibility for the oil spill falls on BP because they chose cheaper methods and materials, even though they were not as safe.
(edited 13 years ago)
lukejoshjedi
Bill Clinton awarding Tony Blair yesterday and with him generally being more liked / appreciated in the US, loads of people here are pretty disgusted by it and enraged
Bill Clinton awarding Tony Blair yesterday and with him generally being more liked / appreciated in the US, loads of people here are pretty disgusted by it and enraged
The Americans opposed to Obama (which is the majority) feel the same way over the rock star treatment Obama is still given in much of Europe. I was stunned to see a recent poll showing 78% of Europeans approved of him.
There is no special relationship between the US and UK.
Politically we had to allie with them during and after the 2nd world war.
"The special relationship" has essentially consisted of the United States keeping tabs on what the British government does, limiting the amount of nuclear and military weaponary we have and getting our support in wars.
We are basically back up for the U.S. A glorified henchman.
As we progress to changing times, Britain is a lot less important to the US than the US is important to us. The key alliance for the US now is Europe. Britain and France are basically a gateway to better relations.
This is why it is important to integrate within the European Union. Not because we will have better relations with the US, but because we will have a large stake and voice within a greater union.
Obama does not like the UK's history or the attitude of its conservatives. In many ways, I cannot blame him. Yet this dislike does seem to extend into current politics. Many US senators echo this.
We entered an illegal war with them for christ sake.
Politically we had to allie with them during and after the 2nd world war.
"The special relationship" has essentially consisted of the United States keeping tabs on what the British government does, limiting the amount of nuclear and military weaponary we have and getting our support in wars.
We are basically back up for the U.S. A glorified henchman.
As we progress to changing times, Britain is a lot less important to the US than the US is important to us. The key alliance for the US now is Europe. Britain and France are basically a gateway to better relations.
This is why it is important to integrate within the European Union. Not because we will have better relations with the US, but because we will have a large stake and voice within a greater union.
Obama does not like the UK's history or the attitude of its conservatives. In many ways, I cannot blame him. Yet this dislike does seem to extend into current politics. Many US senators echo this.
We entered an illegal war with them for christ sake.
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