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    Badly.
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    Exceptionally week today, not recovered from 3 all-nighters in the past week. Worked up to:

    150 squat
    180 deadlift
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    And I'm back.


    Squats:
    60x5
    80x5
    100x3
    120x2
    130x1
    140x1x3

    Pushdowns:
    50x10x2
    60x10x2

    T-Bar Rows:
    35x10x3

    Barbell Curls:
    30x10x3
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    Again today. Quite sore, but not too bad.


    Squats:
    50x5
    100x5
    120x3
    130x1
    145x1
    150x1


    OHP:
    40x5x5

    Deadlift:
    60x5
    100x5
    130x3
    150x1
    170x1
    160x3x2

    Chins:
    BWx7
    x5
    x3
    x2
    x2
    x1
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    I completely forgot about you, nice to see you back training.

    Just a quick question, since I know you've had back problems in the past. I posted this elsewhere and thought that maybe you could help.

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    Age, Gender, current training status - male in early twenties, currently been training for a few years, squatting 407lb and deadlifting 462lb for 1RMs, although I haven't been near that on the squat this year.

    Chief Compliant - pain in my mid-back which stops me from squatting and deadlifting.

    Narrative describing the mechanism of injury - Two months ago when I loaded up the bar to do three plates for sets across as my workout, after a period of a month or so with very sporadic training, I felt this weird, slightly compressive feeling in my mid back area. In my log I describe it as "some weird soreness in my mid-upper back. Wasn't a shooting pain ... felt more like stiffness or DOMS even..." I deadlifted four plates for five at the end of that session and did not report anything feeling wrong during that set, however I did say that I "put belt on too tight so couldn't get a proper breath or set up properly" if that makes a difference.

    Then two days after I added a bit of weight, 6lbs, to my squats and the pain was worse. I only did two sets.

    Eleven days later, I squatted again, adding a little bit of weight, and reported that my back felt better but not 100%. I did three sets of five.

    Just over two weeks after that, so about five weeks ago from now, I squatted again, and my back was really bad. I stopped at 265lb.

    And that's how it is now; I still try to squat every second week or so to see how it is. Except that last Saturday I managed to get up to just over 350lb for a single without too much discomfort. Then on Wednesday it was back to the same story, unable to do much more than one plate before the pain.

    Note that the long gaps between workouts were because I was incredibly busy. I was spending a lot of time hunched over a desk, if that makes a difference.

    Pain- 7? Enough to stop me from squatting, but it's not like I'm getting stabbed or beaten or anything...

    Describe the pain - Shooting, aching, maybe a little deep.

    What makes it better? - Not squatting or deadlifting. I can still do upper body work, power cleans, and live a normal life.

    What makes it worse? - Squatting and deadlifting.

    How do your symptoms behave throughout the day? - None, really, except sometimes when I sneeze really hard I feel something's up.

    Signs and Symptoms - Area looks perfectly normal; no swelling, bruising, or anything like that. It doesn't stop me doing anything in my dad to day life. I just can't squat or deadlift in the gym!

    I have previously injured my back before. It was in November 2010 and I was doing something a bit stupid (trying to rack pull 20kg over my deadlift 1RM after I had fatigued my back with deficits), which is the cause of most injuries but by god experience is the best teacher. The area that I injured then is close to or the same as the area that's sore now. What I did then was just take three weeks off and came back and it was completely gone and it's never bothered me since. But that was a different type of injury in that I felt it as it happened, and it felt like a "tear" of some sort, whereas this is a more graduate pain that hasn't gone away after a few weeks off.

    When I think about what's unique from this situation the only thing I can think of is that I was spending a long, long time hunched over a desk from the beginning of March to mid-May.


    Any idea of what it could be?
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    (Original post by Smack)
    I completely forgot about you, nice to see you back training.

    Just a quick question, since I know you've had back problems in the past. I posted this elsewhere and thought that maybe you could help.

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    Age, Gender, current training status - male in early twenties, currently been training for a few years, squatting 407lb and deadlifting 462lb for 1RMs, although I haven't been near that on the squat this year.

    Chief Compliant - pain in my mid-back which stops me from squatting and deadlifting.

    Narrative describing the mechanism of injury - Two months ago when I loaded up the bar to do three plates for sets across as my workout, after a period of a month or so with very sporadic training, I felt this weird, slightly compressive feeling in my mid back area. In my log I describe it as "some weird soreness in my mid-upper back. Wasn't a shooting pain ... felt more like stiffness or DOMS even..." I deadlifted four plates for five at the end of that session and did not report anything feeling wrong during that set, however I did say that I "put belt on too tight so couldn't get a proper breath or set up properly" if that makes a difference.

    Then two days after I added a bit of weight, 6lbs, to my squats and the pain was worse. I only did two sets.

    Eleven days later, I squatted again, adding a little bit of weight, and reported that my back felt better but not 100%. I did three sets of five.

    Just over two weeks after that, so about five weeks ago from now, I squatted again, and my back was really bad. I stopped at 265lb.

    And that's how it is now; I still try to squat every second week or so to see how it is. Except that last Saturday I managed to get up to just over 350lb for a single without too much discomfort. Then on Wednesday it was back to the same story, unable to do much more than one plate before the pain.

    Note that the long gaps between workouts were because I was incredibly busy. I was spending a lot of time hunched over a desk, if that makes a difference.

    Pain- 7? Enough to stop me from squatting, but it's not like I'm getting stabbed or beaten or anything...

    Describe the pain - Shooting, aching, maybe a little deep.

    What makes it better? - Not squatting or deadlifting. I can still do upper body work, power cleans, and live a normal life.

    What makes it worse? - Squatting and deadlifting.

    How do your symptoms behave throughout the day? - None, really, except sometimes when I sneeze really hard I feel something's up.

    Signs and Symptoms - Area looks perfectly normal; no swelling, bruising, or anything like that. It doesn't stop me doing anything in my dad to day life. I just can't squat or deadlift in the gym!

    I have previously injured my back before. It was in November 2010 and I was doing something a bit stupid (trying to rack pull 20kg over my deadlift 1RM after I had fatigued my back with deficits), which is the cause of most injuries but by god experience is the best teacher. The area that I injured then is close to or the same as the area that's sore now. What I did then was just take three weeks off and came back and it was completely gone and it's never bothered me since. But that was a different type of injury in that I felt it as it happened, and it felt like a "tear" of some sort, whereas this is a more graduate pain that hasn't gone away after a few weeks off.

    When I think about what's unique from this situation the only thing I can think of is that I was spending a long, long time hunched over a desk from the beginning of March to mid-May.


    Any idea of what it could be?
    Have you seen a doc yet? And what's the longest stretch of time off you've had between doing lifts that aggravate?

    If it was this frequently troublesome, I'd probably take at least a month off, maybe even fully/completely off lifting.

    A doc will probably get you imaged, probably x-rayed first and possibly refer you to a physio (though physio could take a month or more on NHS).
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    ^I have similar problems to smack - where it don't hurt usually only if I load the **** out of squats and DL. Will doctors take it srsly and refer me to specialists? Like I can still FS 150 ect, so its like there isn't anything that majorly wrong with me if that makes sense.
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    (Original post by SMed)
    Have you seen a doc yet? And what's the longest stretch of time off you've had between doing lifts that aggravate?

    If it was this frequently troublesome, I'd probably take at least a month off, maybe even fully/completely off lifting.

    A doc will probably get you imaged, probably x-rayed first and possibly refer you to a physio (though physio could take a month or more on NHS).
    I haven't seen a doctor yet, I'm going to try and make an appointment with a sports doctor, I was just wondering if you had any suggestions on what it might be.

    The longest I've taken between doing lifts that aggravate it is a couple of weeks. After that, when it usually feels much better, I try and test the water again, and it hurts. I've had it since April.

    I can still do benching, overhead and arms without feeling it at all.
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    (Original post by Smack)
    I haven't seen a doctor yet, I'm going to try and make an appointment with a sports doctor, I was just wondering if you had any suggestions on what it might be.

    The longest I've taken between doing lifts that aggravate it is a couple of weeks. After that, when it usually feels much better, I try and test the water again, and it hurts. I've had it since April.

    I can still do benching, overhead and arms without feeling it at all.
    I've had mine since april 22nd. Do you wear any other compression kit? I'm thinking of getting rehband lower back support thing. Also do you arch during bench press? I find that it make me a little sore too.
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    (Original post by redbuthotter)
    ^I have similar problems to smack - where it don't hurt usually only if I load the **** out of squats and DL. Will doctors take it srsly and refer me to specialists? Like I can still FS 150 ect, so its like there isn't anything that majorly wrong with me if that makes sense.
    In all honesty, unlikely. Compared to what docs see day in day out, you both are still fit and healthy for the most part. They should still get you imaged though and if it doesn't show anything, and resting isn't helping, they should escalate the investigations. But you really got to chase this up yourself too.
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    ^Should I tell him my **** hurts normally and I'm in extreme pain? Will he be able to tell its a thib? I've gone in for thyroid checks cos I'm experiencing other issues atm

    Sorry to sound like moiz lol.
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    Oh taught that kid how to bench a couple weeks back... apparently its moving now.
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    Having trained with Moiz in months. Probably will today I think.
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    Squats:
    60x5
    100x5
    120x3
    130x1
    145x1
    152.5x1x3

    Kroc Rows:
    50x15
    50x20

    Pushdowns:
    60x10
    70x10
    60x10



    Got kinda sideways on the last single of 152.5, so stopped there.
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    (Original post by SMed)
    In all honesty, unlikely. Compared to what docs see day in day out, you both are still fit and healthy for the most part. They should still get you imaged though and if it doesn't show anything, and resting isn't helping, they should escalate the investigations. But you really got to chase this up yourself too.
    Do you think this would be helpful - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Neoprene-D...ht_1452wt_1039

    Underneath a full on powerlifting belt? Like you wear sleeves for elbows to keep em warm, is the same theory for low back good? Is it a good idea to buy one of these?
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    You'd have to just try I suppose. I'm not even wearing my knee sleeves in this warmer weather, but then I've only just started back training again.

    Speaking of which, need to buy new knee sleeves. My pharmacy sleeves have finally started to split after 2/3 years.
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    Squats:
    60x5
    100x5
    130x2
    145x1
    150x1

    OHP:
    40x5
    40x5
    42.5x5
    47.5x1
    50xf
    40x7
    40x6
    40x4
    40x3

    Deadlift:
    60x5
    100x5
    130x3
    150x1
    160x1
    170x1
    180x1
    190xf

    45 degree Back Extensions:
    15kg x10x5

    Comedy Cleans:
    60x3
    65x3

    Cable Curls:
    50x12
    50x10


    Tweaked my right shoulder doing the comedy cable curls. And ripped off a big callus from my thumb doing comedy cleans.
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    Squats:
    40x5
    60x5
    90x5
    120x2

    OHP:
    30x5
    40x5
    42.5x5
    42.5x5
    42.5x5
    42.5x5
    42.5x4

    Deadlift:
    70x5
    110x5
    140x3
    160x1
    175x1
    190x1
    165x3x3

    Cable Pushdowns:
    70x12x3



    Was a bit annoyed not to have gotten 190kg last session, so I did it today. Thumbs are ****ed.
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    Squats:
    60x5
    80x5
    100x5
    115x5
    130x5

    OHP:
    35x5
    45x5x7
    40x5x3
    (there were a few missed final reps in there)

    Deadlift:
    70x5
    120x5
    150x2
    170x3x3


    Used straps for deadlift, as I ripped a big callous off of my thumb last week. These felt really good with straps. Not sure if it's because of the straps though. I suppose I don't have that painful distraction from using hook-grip.
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    Is the pain in the midline or near the midline of the back? i.e. near the vertebrae? I think I've had the same or similar issue before, got it once from squatting, but the first time I got it, I was on a rowing machine. I suspected it to be a "subluxated rib", or dysfunction of the joint where the rib articulates with the vetebra. What worked for me though was having someone stand on my back - try it. Lie on your front on the floor, get someone to put their heel on the area where the pain is, and slowly bare weight onto it. It should click back into place, you'll feel it and it'll feel immediately better. Pain was a lot worse when I was slouching forward.

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