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  1. Killjoy-'s Avatar
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    Re: Before buying PC please ask our advice first!
    Question: what is the difference between Corsair Vengeance and Dominator memory?
    If all dominator memory better than all vengeance memory or are they suited to different things?
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    The reason for this is that between the two screenshots, you've done some overclocking. This has changed the base clock frequency and so your RAM frequencies have also been multiplied proportionally. Set everything to Auto (or just reset the whole BIOS) and you should be able to boot.
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    (Original post by und)
    The reason for this is that between the two screenshots, you've done some overclocking. This has changed the base clock frequency and so your RAM frequencies have also been multiplied proportionally. Set everything to Auto (or just reset the whole BIOS) and you should be able to boot.
    Apparently since I've not changed the RAM voltage it should be okay. So if I can find a way to load the BIOS everything should work alright once I've set all the options to auto?

    That is the problem though, I can't load the BIOS. From my searching online flashing the BIOS might be an option, have you any advice regarding that?
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    Re: Before buying PC please ask our advice first!
    An update:
    I unplugged card reader and front panel usb ports from the motherboard. It now boots but doesn't stay on. It automatically switches on after auto shut down and I get a message "power supply surges detected during the
    previous power on ASUS anti-surge was triggered to protect system from unstable PSU"
    I don't know if the problem is with the PSU or the anti-surge on the motherboard. Any ideas?
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    (Original post by Iqbal007)
    i5-3570k price isn't too far off.
    We can give you list a detailed list of what we go for. Though I would recommend a mid-range graphics card for multimedia purposes like a 6670 or slight higher or a 550ti.
    If you go to a 550ti i'd just pay an extra fiver for a 7770. For media a 6670 should be more than enough though.
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    (Original post by R. Murray)
    Apparently since I've not changed the RAM voltage it should be okay. So if I can find a way to load the BIOS everything should work alright once I've set all the options to auto?

    That is the problem though, I can't load the BIOS. From my searching online flashing the BIOS might be an option, have you any advice regarding that?
    Depending on your board there COULD be a button on the MOBO itself that automatically clears the BIOS so allowing you to access it again. As for the surging problem first try to plug and unplug your 24 pin connector from the motherboard, that might reset. If the problem persists just borrow someone else's PSU ( take out the GPU if you have on board graphics as it may push it over the capacity of the other persons MOBO) and then try to re-load it. reset your setting in your BIOS to standard. Then try putting your PSU in and see the problem still persists. As for the reason the values changed it was because you changed the base clock while over clocking so the DRAM frequencies also went up. Also at that frequency it seems like you're running DDR3 1333 rather than 1600.
    Last edited by Rainingshame; 24-06-2012 at 17:02.
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    (Original post by Rainingshame)
    Depending on your board there COULD be a button on the MOBO itself that automatically clears the BIOS so allowing you to access it again. As for the surging problem first try to plug and unplug your 24 pin connector from the motherboard, that might reset. If the problem persists just borrow someone else's PSU ( take out the GPU if you have on board graphics as it may push it over the capacity of the other persons MOBO) and then try to re-load it. reset your setting in your BIOS to standard. Then try putting your PSU in and see the problem still persists. As for the reason the values changed it was because you changed the base clock while over clocking so the DRAM frequencies also went up. Also at that frequency it seems like you're running DDR3 1333 rather than 1600.
    Right I've gained access to the BIOS again and I'm going to try the plug/unplug 24 pin connector. I have a 750W PSU but it was a cheap one and I'm not sure I trust it... Just now I have only the SSD connected to the mobo - no HDD/DVD/front panel USB/card reader/GPU If I get it to work okay as it is then add parts one by one and make sure it's okay.

    I get a warning at the moment before it automatically shuts down (anti-surge) "warning +3.3V 2.864V".
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    (Original post by R. Murray)
    Right I've gained access to the BIOS again and I'm going to try the plug/unplug 24 pin connector. I have a 750W PSU but it was a cheap one and I'm not sure I trust it... Just now I have only the SSD connected to the mobo - no HDD/DVD/front panel USB/card reader/GPU If I get it to work okay as it is then add parts one by one and make sure it's okay.

    I get a warning at the moment before it automatically shuts down (anti-surge) "warning +3.3V 2.864V".
    Those volts seem pretty damn high......
    You broke the first rule of building your own computer, buy high quality parts... :P you might as well have gone to cyberpower :P. I'd wait for someone else's opinion, i'm useless at volts etc. i don't actually know what a 12V rail is or what it does, or how it differs from the others :P
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    (Original post by Rainingshame)
    Those volts seem pretty damn high......
    You broke the first rule of building your own computer, buy high quality parts... :P you might as well have gone to cyberpower :P. I'd wait for someone else's opinion, i'm useless at volts etc. i don't actually know what a 12V rail is or what it does, or how it differs from the others :P
    No I have a CX600 in my build but I had a cheapy 750W PSU in my old computer that never gave me a problem.


    Any help from anyone would be great
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    (Original post by Rainingshame)
    Those volts seem pretty damn high......
    You broke the first rule of building your own computer, buy high quality parts... :P you might as well have gone to cyberpower :P. I'd wait for someone else's opinion, i'm useless at volts etc. i don't actually know what a 12V rail is or what it does, or how it differs from the others :P
    I'm not a computer expert, but that's a low voltage issue, not high. The 3.3V rail should be at 3.3V (surprisingly!) but it's lower - that could either be poor voltage regulation in the power supply, or the PSU simply cannot provide enough current at 3.3V so the voltage is falling. I don't know what devices run on 3.3V so I can't suggest what might be trying to draw too much current, but it would seem the PSU isn't up to it. Also worth bearing in mind that there are ways an ways of measuring power, so a cheap 750w PSU may not be able to supply anything like the power of a better one.
    Edit: if you're interested, rails are basically supplies or batteries. PCs need different voltages for different components, so each voltage has its own rail (they're called rails because they're often drawn as parallel lines on a circuit diagram - you might have a +12V rail parallel to a 0V rail with components connected between them). The current drawn by a device is equal to voltage divided by resistance, and the resistance is basically fixed. That means if the rail can't provide enough current the voltage falls until it can, but that might not be enough to power the device. A more powerful PSU can simply provide more current.
    Last edited by CurlyBen; 24-06-2012 at 19:18.
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    Re: Before buying PC please ask our advice first!
    (Original post by R. Murray)
    No I have a CX600 in my build but I had a cheapy 750W PSU in my old computer that never gave me a problem.


    Any help from anyone would be great
    Did you check your motherboards ram compatibility list?

    Also seems like some overclocking, but at what rate is the ram supposed to work at?

    There also should be a small reset button next to the ram........my Asus has it, to fix up the ram.
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    (Original post by Killjoy-)
    Question: what is the difference between Corsair Vengeance and Dominator memory?
    If all dominator memory better than all vengeance memory or are they suited to different things?
    Dominator has a higher voltage set at 1.65v compared to 1.5v from Vengeance.
    So Dominator is better for overclocking...............thoug h not sure how well they do with the new cores as they are mainly work with 1.5v ram.
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    Re: Before buying PC please ask our advice first!
    This doesn't relate to a desktop but rather to a monitor. I've got all my specs confirmed, except for the monitor. At first I was going to buy a 24" LCD HD one (60 HZ); but after some research I noticed that many people thought a 120HZ monitor would be better. Some say it's a placebo effect, others say it makes a big difference. Does anyone here have any experience with it and if it will really improve smoothness?

    (And no, I won't be playing 3D games - don't like it).
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    I'm going to do maths at uni next year and other than stuff like word and using the internet my main use would be storing and editing photos (I want to put Photoshop CS6 on) are there any laptops that people would recommend for under £500. Thank you.
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    (Original post by ray-chill)
    I'm going to do maths at uni next year and other than stuff like word and using the internet my main use would be storing and editing photos (I want to put Photoshop CS6 on) are there any laptops that people would recommend for under £500. Thank you.
    Have a look at these, all with i5's and under £500. http://search.laptopsdirect.co.uk/na...aptops/pb/06/0

    I would stay away from HP and Acer.............Lenovo and Sony are pretty good.
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    (Original post by ray-chill)
    I'm going to do maths at uni next year and other than stuff like word and using the internet my main use would be storing and editing photos (I want to put Photoshop CS6 on) are there any laptops that people would recommend for under £500. Thank you.
    I would NOT recommend a Macintosh as they are very overpriced, and you are paying for the name. A good starting point would be around 3-4 GB of RAM, and and intel core i3 or 5. Depending on how many photos you are going to put on there, and also apps, I would suggest around 500-600 GB of hard-drive. Toshiba, HP, Panasonic and possible Sony, they are a bit pricey but look a lot like Mac's and that is probabley why you want a Mac :/ Unless you are going to be playing demanding games like COD and such, you don't need a very high-end graphics card. An intel built in one would be fine.

    Good Luck
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    (Original post by Iqbal007)
    Dominator has a higher voltage set at 1.65v compared to 1.5v from Vengeance.
    So Dominator is better for overclocking...............thoug h not sure how well they do with the new cores as they are mainly work with 1.5v ram.
    Thank you.
    So I wouldn't really get an advantage then with a i5 3570k at 4-4.44Ghz?

    Also, how easy is it to overclock a processor?
    Is it as simple as changing a few things in the BIOS?
    (This will determine whether I buy a prebuilt or not.)
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    (Original post by Killjoy-)
    Thank you.
    So I wouldn't really get an advantage then with a i5 3570k at 4-4.44Ghz?

    Also, how easy is it to overclock a processor?
    Is it as simple as changing a few things in the BIOS?
    (This will determine whether I buy a prebuilt or not.)
    Not significant, if you really want good ram speed, just get higher than 1600mhz rate......though benefits will come depending on what you do.

    Some bios's come with a overclocked setting, mine has 3 basic profiles, one for power efficieny, normal and performance.
    It depends, but I would look on-line otherwise you wouldn't want to create an unstable pc.
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    Hi all!

    I want a 14 inch laptop (no mac), one with a pretty good quality yet not very expensive.

    I'd like it to have a webcam and built in bluetooth. perhaps with a pretty large RAM and memory.

    any suggestion?

    Thanks before!!
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    (Original post by PhenolphthaleinX)
    Hi all!

    I want a 14 inch laptop (no mac), one with a pretty good quality yet not very expensive.

    I'd like it to have a webcam and built in bluetooth. perhaps with a pretty large RAM and memory.

    any suggestion?

    Thanks before!!
    Budget?
    And purpose of laptop?
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