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Re: Pit worker totally owned by margaret thatcherHeh, don't patronise me kid. I don't have to pour my life out over the internet to satisfy you, suffice to say I was right in the thick of it when Thatcher bent all the forces of the state to destroy thousands of people's jobs, families and communities. I don't give a monkey's what kind of family you come from and I'm not scared of your uncles' threats either.(Original post by puddlejumper)
The pit strike I assume? How did it affect you?
And remember that I come from a family of pit workers and had several uncles who were made redundant and who would kick your head in if you suggested reopening the pits.
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Re: Pit worker totally owned by margaret thatcherCome off it, you know that ridiculous.(Original post by Oswy)
No, she didn't believe that at all. She was a self-consciously middle-class snob and it was that section of society which might have been called the 'well to do' she was pandering to. Thatcher hated working class people who didn't aspire to take on the airs and graces of those 'above them', she hated working-class culture and working-class power. And everything else I said still stands - she was utterly conceited and utterly indifferent to the suffering she caused, indeed I think she probably enjoyed crushing thousands of mining families' livelihoods. -
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Re: Pit worker totally owned by margaret thatcherYes, because Britain before Thatcher was the land of milk and honey. Winter of discontent anyone?(Original post by Barden)
I am talking about the knock on effects of Conservative policies, i.e. civil unrest, strike action etc. A slight increase in the income of the middle-class doesn't make it any easier for them to power their homes when theres no fuel for the power stations due, and it doesn't help them have their bins collected when the binmen go on strike.
I mean the fact is she had to piss some people, a lot of people, off, but in doing so she ensured the rising and continued prosperity of the majority. -
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Re: Pit worker totally owned by margaret thatcherWhich is why we have to take everything you say with a pinch of salt, you’re emotional about the whole era which means you can’t take an objective view like we can.(Original post by Oswy)
Believe what you like, I was there.
Like I’m sure the luddites would say the industrial revolution was evil, but we know different looking back -
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Re: Pit worker totally owned by margaret thatcherSo did Thatcher. And almost every leader of any country that has been at a state of war or conflict.(Original post by .Ali.)
Hitler killed people, so it's a bit different.
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Re: Pit worker totally owned by margaret thatcherWho forced the bank of england to keep interest rates artificially low, helping to fund an enormous expansion of consumer credit, which, in turn with an unprecedented expansion of government spending helped to create the illusion of more wealth whilst the sustainable parts of the economy stagnated or went into decline?(Original post by Captain Crash)
Who racked up the credit card again?
Oh, yeah, that's right...
Also, that chart could do with some updating, I would dearly love for our deficits from the last two years to have been that low.
There's also a difference, the tories were running deficits in the 80s in the aftermath of the winter of discontent and britain's trip to the IMF, and in the 90s after the '92 recession.
Labour were running deficits even during the largest consumer credit boom in generations, whilst tax receipts were at an all time high.Last edited by TShadow383; 15-10-2010 at 17:48. -
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Re: Pit worker totally owned by margaret thatcherhaha(Original post by Barden)
But its not though, is it? How ever you spin it, quality of life, for most people, decreases in this country when the Tories are in power.
tell that to the share owning classes hugely swelled by thatcher and the privatisation of BT and the utilities - and those who became share holders in the demutalised building societies , those who were able to buy their homes under thatcher, those who left jobs in failing nationalised industries to go and work for the companies that Thatcher attracted to the UK.
the fall i nthe standards of living of NUM members is down to one person and one person only, 'Uncle' Arthur Scargill and his illegal strike ... don't forget Union officials are still drawing their full pay while the members are on strike -
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Re: Pit worker totally owned by margaret thatcherAnd where do you think we would be now economically if nobody had intervened to prevent the unions from wreaking further havoc?(Original post by Oswy)
No, she didn't believe that at all. She was a self-consciously middle-class snob and it was that section of society which might have been called the 'well to do' she was pandering to. Thatcher hated working class people who didn't aspire to take on the airs and graces of those 'above them', she hated working-class culture and working-class power. And everything else I said still stands - she was utterly conceited and utterly indifferent to the suffering she caused, indeed I think she probably enjoyed crushing thousands of mining families' livelihoods.
It's another case where trade unionism has resulted in mass unemployment.
If the unions had allowed the mines, the steel industry, the car industry (etc etc) to adapt, as all firms have to at some point or another, they might well still be around to a much greater extent.
But when you have a workforce who insist on trying to bankrupt the people who are paying them to do a job and making demands which cannot profitably be met, what do you expect? -
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Re: Pit worker totally owned by margaret thatcherWow, so a 8% deficit in response to a minor recession but a 10% one is totally unacceptable in the current one?(Original post by Arekkusu)
I expect the spike in the mid-90's was because of the recession of 1992. Other than that it looks about even. The financial crisis started in America and has affected countries across Europe. Governments are largely powerless in the face of economic forces and cannot really be blamed, I don't think.
Also, there was pretty much a deficit on par with Labour's pre-recession period throughout the 80s. -
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Re: Pit worker totally owned by margaret thatcherIIRC, the Bank of England has been independent for some time now....(Original post by TShadow383)
Who forced the bank of england to keep interest rates artificially low, helping to fund an enormous expansion of consumer credit, which, in turn with an unprecedented expansion of government spending helped to create the illusion of more wealth whilst the sustainable parts of the economy stagnated or went into decline?
Oh, yeah, that's right...
The winter of discontent was in 78/79 - that's no excuse for a rising deficit 5/6 years later.(Original post by TShadow383)
Also, that chart could do with some updating, I would dearly love for our deficits from the last two years to have been that low.
There's also a difference, the tories were running deficits in the 80s in the aftermath of the winter of discontent and britain's trip to the IMF, and in the 90s after the '92 recession.
Labour were running deficits even during the largest consumer credit boom in generations, whilst tax receipts were at an all time high.
A 2-3% deficit is no bad thing in economics - indeed it's better than running even. The only reason the deficit is as high as it is now (10%) is because of the recession, which, considering you have excused similarly high deficits for the much more minor 1992 recession, is not actually that bad. -
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Re: Pit worker totally owned by margaret thatcherThe Poll Tax was supposed to be a case of "its always better where the Tories are". The rates were supposed to be set in proportion to the rate at which councils spent money, so heavy spending Labour councils would have a high Poll Tax and tight Tory councils would have a low Poll Tax, (she hoped this would encourage people to vote out high spending councils and vote in Tory councils) however the poorer areas needed that extra money to be spent on services so councils just hiked up their spending plans, which hiked up the Poll Tax bills. They knew that Mrs Thatcher was so personally identified with the Poll Tax that when they hiked up their spending, they wouldn't get the blame for the high Poll Tax bills, she would, and she did. A few smart Tories had seen the dangers of this in the early stages of Poll Tax planning, but she didn't think it would happen, but it did and that mortally wounded her.
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