25% of Junior Doctors Leave

Mate, when you're looking after some horribly sick people - and loosing - with ****ty senior support and being told you're a **** by everyone you meet, a £6/hour is pretty poor compensation.

You try reassuring a demented old lady that the nurses aren't trying to kill her.
You try putting a venflon into a chemo punter in the dark.
You try asking someone if they ever thought about whether they'd to die with their ribs broken and a bit of PVC down their throat.
You try telling someone that they're going to die and that there's nothing that can be done about it.
You try telling someone that their mum or dad is dead.
You try telling someone desperate to hear that their loved one is going to be okay that you're just not sure.
You try jumping up and down on a kids chest just so you can tell mum and dad that you did everything you could.
You try doing that at the same time.
You come back and tell me that minimum wage is what you want to earn for that.
**** right off.

Aren't you a treat. A misinformed treat, in fact.

is it not a bit like most things? You start off on a low wage and then you work your way up. that's how it is in the real world, but a lot of people's starting salaries are WAY below 22k. Whether it's a fair wage or not is something I can't comment on because I have never trained or been in the position of a doctor. I also have no idea about working hours etc. A base salary is what you start at before working your way up the ladder to a better salary, that's the way life goes on the whole! My last job (and yes it was a shockingly **** job) was a base salary of 12k. Admittedly I hadn't done any studying or anything to get into that job, but that is the whoel reason why people who have done training get a higher starting salary, because they are worth the money from their skills.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-395095/It-cost-NHS-1m-train-So-jobs.html

That the figure is half of what I said hardly detracts from the validity of my point.

I'm truly shocked you referenced that paper to back up your views...

I'm truly shocked you referenced that paper to back up your views...

I'm truly shocked you referenced that paper to back up your views...

Well the link he used was one of the rare Mail articles in favour of doctors. Strangely enough it was an article about how juniors are/were getting ****ed over. And the comments (again rare) describe doctors as underpaid and hardworking! What even was his point anyway again?

It was sarcasm. My comment was more geared towards his seeming intolerance than the merits of the article.

Intolerance of what?

Thank you very much for your insight. Awe inspiring.

Ooooh I love a bit of sarcasm on a Saturday. Other that that, is my point not a valid one all said and done
Honestly though, I don't think people on here live in the real world half the time. 22k is not a bad salary. At all. It's by no means the highest salary in the world I know, and in the scheme of things it is on the low side of salaries but there are plenty of people who live on it. In fact plenty of people live on less (admittedly with a partner), raising families and paying mortgages etc.

I believe that ALL medicine applicants should have to undertake mandatory hospital volunteer work for at least a few months before applying.

No I know that. I'm saying that as a starting salary it is higher than most people's because they have done the 5 or 6 year degree. There are precious few jobs you can start at a salary like that without doing the degree first. As a starting salary, it's good