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Training Contracts 2013

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Original post by thewhitestuff
Hello everyone. So, I have an offer on the table for a training contract from a MC firm and I don't know whether to accept it. While I could countenance training with them, I know that I would prefer to work for a smaller firm which is less corporate focussed - I did a couple of vacation schemes with MC firms and came away not especially impressed by the work-life balance there. I'm also not especially into corporate law. Thing is that the firms I would like to get TCs with do not make offers until around September, and I don't know if I would be able to get a TC with them.

I have a few questions:
1) Is it harder to get a TC at smaller, more boutique firms than in the MC? (I'm talking the places that take only a few trainees every year.)
2) Would it be terrible of me to accept the MC training contract knowing that if one from a preferred firm came along I would take it? Would this even be possible?
3) If I trained with a MC firm, could I then transfer over to a smaller firm with the majority of my seats in corporate/finance?

Some of these questions might be a little obvious, but I am a non-law graduate, and so unsure about exactly how it works.

Thanks!


Accept it. If something else comes along later you tell them you have changed your mind but dont cut of your nose to spite your face. (this is applicable to any job offer!) People change their mind all the time in jobs and the only thing they could legally do would be force you to work your notice period - which they would never do as a) not worth it and b) there are 100s of equally qualified little munchkins snapping at your heals so they will refill the slot seconds after you turn it down.

If you feel disloyal think about it this way - if you accepted and come next september they no longer need you they (as often happens) would not hesitate for a second to say - heres a weeks pay now pfo!
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Accept it. If something else comes along later you tell them you have changed your mind but dont cut of your nose to spite your face. (this is applicable to any job offer!) People change their mind all the time in jobs and the only thing they could legally do would be force you to work your notice period - which they would never do as a) not worth it and b) there are 100s of equally qualified little munchkins snapping at your heals so they will refill the slot seconds after you turn it down.


This. There is a lot of talk on here about the "decent thing" and feeling "uncomfortable". But you need to approach your career like a business. If you end up reneging on your MC offer, no one really loses (but you do need to do it before starting the GDL and accepting a maintenance grant). If you end up with something that suits you better, you, your new firm and the MC firm wins.

I'd be interested to know why you are so sure that a smaller firm will suit you better though. The vast majority of firms that pay your GDL/LPC fees will be commercially focused, even if they have a niche specialism, and the hours can still be intense at times.
Thanks for the replies. I consider myself a strong candidate in that I have a strong First from Oxford, have won academic prizes and have relevant work experience, so while I'm not sure I could get a TC from another law firm I'd have a good shot.

There are firms which offer GDL and LPC fees (though less or no maintenance) which are not heavily corporate, and which according to the Lex 100 have much better work-life balance than the MC where I have the offer. I'll have to think about it, and have applied for some Easter vac schemes so will see what comes up.
No from weil, lw, fbd, macf (though i did screw two of those's app forms up).

Inter at a+o went okay, will see.

Have interview at S+M, but they offered me mid april! Madness!
Original post by Redemption
No from weil, lw, fbd, macf (though i did screw two of those's app forms up).

Inter at a+o went okay, will see.

Have interview at S+M, but they offered me mid april! Madness!


Slaughters really like to play the game their way don't they? At least you've got plenty of time to prepare. Im waiting to hear from them but only submitted my app on Friday/Saturday.

Hope A&O works out for you.
I have it on good authority that Slaughters are offering interviews later because their admissions people are all interviewing for Easter vac schemes in Feb and March.
Original post by GoBigOrGoHome
Slaughters really like to play the game their way don't they? At least you've got plenty of time to prepare. Im waiting to hear from them but only submitted my app on Friday/Saturday.

Hope A&O works out for you.



Original post by thewhitestuff
I have it on good authority that Slaughters are offering interviews later because their admissions people are all interviewing for Easter vac schemes in Feb and March.


Thanks for the call on s+m, sounds probable to me. Feel bad about Cleary & L&W.

Also, S&C messaged me, saying that my application had been reviewed, and asking if they can put my application on hold until the deadline (which was a week ago), and then reconsider it! Then again, I haven't heard back from them since that, so it sounds pretty low in likelyhood.
Original post by GoBigOrGoHome
Slaughters really like to play the game their way don't they? At least you've got plenty of time to prepare. Im waiting to hear from them but only submitted my app on Friday/Saturday.

Hope A&O works out for you.


Mine's in April too =( I like Slaughter and May but there is the worry that, seeing as I have a number of interviews before them, I might get lucky with someone else first.
Original post by gabbyroslin
Mine's in April too =( I like Slaughter and May but there is the worry that, seeing as I have a number of interviews before them, I might get lucky with someone else first.


Yes, that'd be a real shame :wink:

Joking aside, from what i understand you dont sign your contract of employment until your first day on the job in 2013. So until then you have a pre-contract agreement or some sort?

Its probably legally binding, but in a practical sense i doubt a firm is going to kick up a fuss if you say well sorry, but got a better offer. People do it for other profession all the time. All that would happen is theyd ask for any money they've given you back (fees/maintenance grants)

Its a bit of an unsavoury of thinking about things for some people, and it may lack integrity but if Slaughters is what you want ****' em.
Original post by GoBigOrGoHome
Yes, that'd be a real shame :wink:

Joking aside, from what i understand you dont sign your contract of employment until your first day on the job in 2013. So until then you have a pre-contract agreement or some sort?

Its probably legally binding, but in a practical sense i doubt a firm is going to kick up a fuss if you say well sorry, but got a better offer. People do it for other profession all the time. All that would happen is theyd ask for any money they've given you back (fees/maintenance grants)

Its a bit of an unsavoury of thinking about things for some people, and it may lack integrity but if Slaughters is what you want ****' em.


Yeah.
That's probably what I would do... although I am usually such a stickler for being honourable and doing the right thing and it would probably break me
I've read people giving similar advice, though. At the end of the day - it's your career you're talking about, and they have thousands of applicants.
Reply 110
I have a Freshfields TC interview soon. I'm quite excited about it! Does anyone have any past experience interviewing with the firm? Advice greatly appreciated.
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I'm gettign really confused are you all in your third year/graduated etc and have your second year results? because I was told to apply in June after I had them and now I'm being told to get applications in early... so confused!
Original post by GoBigOrGoHome
Slaughters really like to play the game their way don't they? At least you've got plenty of time to prepare. Im waiting to hear from them but only submitted my app on Friday/Saturday.

Hope A&O works out for you.


A+O said yes. It's more than four weeks until slaughter's interview - I get the feeling that the consensus in this thread is just accept and tread on a few fingers if you get the second place?

Original post by Rosey2
I'm gettign really confused are you all in your third year/graduated etc and have your second year results? because I was told to apply in June after I had them and now I'm being told to get applications in early... so confused!


Lots of us are in third year or graduated - as that's when you apply for training contracts. Most law firms prefer (or sometimes insist) that your applications in second year are for Vacation Schemes - so you're a bit in the wrong thread. VS deadlines are a lot earlier than TC deadlines - infact a good number of them ended in January. I'd have a look around, but don't be demolished if you don't get one. As I just said, I've had no TC, non-law, a year after graduation with no really good reason and I have an offer from a MC firm. Good luck!
Great job on A&O Redemption!

Yeah that would definitely be the way to play Slaughters.

I think for a lot of people Slaughters is the big prize.

Got an AC at Hogan Lovells in April. Plenty of time to prepare.

Did my Freshfields app in the wkend so im waiting on them.
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Someone help me out here. Applied for Norton rose tc in early Dec. I had put in a massive amount of effort and had a little help from those in the know on the form. I have heard precisely nothing since.

Write off? Or keep the faith?
i dont think Norton Rose are planning on getting back to people before the summer.
Original post by GoBigOrGoHome
i dont think Norton Rose are planning on getting back to people before the summer.


I finally received my winter vacation scheme rejection from NR yesterday. This was one I saw coming.

I applied for a TC at the same time in late October and haven't heard anything relating to that app - so yeh, I guess they aren't reviewing them until Summer.
Original post by allornothing
I finally received my winter vacation scheme rejection from NR yesterday. This was one I saw coming.
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Lol! Cleary were doing the same thing for their Winter Vac Scheme last week apparently.

Good to hear that our multi-million pound law firms are on the ball.
Original post by hmaus
Supposedly NR review them on a rolling basis but maybe they are just slow. The next interviews I have soon are with firms I applied to in October and November, so I wouldn't worry if you applied in Dec and are waiting.

Well done Redemption on A&O!


Original post by GoBigOrGoHome
Great job on A&O Redemption!

Yeah that would definitely be the way to play Slaughters.

I think for a lot of people Slaughters is the big prize.

Got an AC at Hogan Lovells in April. Plenty of time to prepare.

Did my Freshfields app in the wkend so im waiting on them.


Thankyou both :-).

And yes, I'm waiting on NR as well, as well as CC, Ashurst, Travers, Farrer, K&E, Jones Day, Skadden, Weil, White & Case and Sidley.

And very tempted to just take A+O. Trainees I chatted to said they had only pulled one weekender, even in finance/banking the entire contract so far, and were adamant that it was a rare week they didn't finish before 5 on a Friday. Really sounds like the best W/L balance in the MC. Prob not going to go to HL's assessment day unless they can bring it earlier to coincide with S+M's - think there's wriggling room if I call up and say "Hi - I have a MC offer, would like to see what your firm is like firsthand and interview, can you bring it sooner?"?
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Original post by Redemption
Thankyou both :-).

And yes, I'm waiting on NR as well, as well as CC, Ashurst, Travers, Farrer, K&E, Jones Day, Skadden, Weil, White & Case and Sidley.

And very tempted to just take A+O. Trainees I chatted to said they had only pulled one weekender, even in finance/banking the entire contract so far, and were adamant that it was a rare week they didn't finish before 5 on a Friday. Really sounds like the best W/L balance in the MC. Prob not going to go to HL's assessment day unless they can bring it earlier to coincide with S+M's - think there's wriggling room if I call up and say "Hi - I have a MC offer, would like to see what your firm is like firsthand and interview, can you bring it sooner?"?


Congrats on A&O! I heard the same from a first-seat trainee in projects when I had my assessment - she said she'd only done one all-nighter, and that although she rarely left before 10 as the practice was v busy, other trainees were out the door by 6.30-7 most of the time.

I'd definitely take that approach with HL. I had an offer from a silver circle firm and called up A&O to get my AC moved forward, they also got back to me in three days because the SC offer deadline was so close. At the end of the day, you've got a MC offer and nothing to lose by asking them, some firms I spoke to were accommodating, others not so (Links). I think having an offer works in your favour by showing that you're clearly an in demand candidate. It also helps with nerves at interviews knowing you already have a good offer!

Oh, and I accepted A&O in the end, withdrew my apps from Links, W&C, FFB, etc.

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