Why are we worrying about these cuts?

But, alas, that is the paradox of capitalism! Capitalists always argue that their system is somehow fairer because you get out what you put in. However, this is simply not true. The entire system is built on the exploitation of those at the bottom, who work hardest in order to pad the pockets of the owners of the means of production at the top, who contribute comparatively very little to the system. Those that work hardest, in the most vital jobs, get paid the least; the workers in the factories, the social workers, the nurses - without whom the entire system would collapse. Talk about hypocritical...

Not true at all. You have to be more educated to do the jobs at the top, they're more mentally demanding, hence it being fairer. In capitalism, at least we have the chance of being rich or poor. Also, people are inequal, so making it equal a) wouldn't work, and b) would damage the economy so severely.

But it's a vicious circle is it not? To be educated you need to be wealthy, and so those at the bottom cannot escape the giant wheel they are perpetually pushing. Clearly, in recent years, a more socialist method of financing education has been put in place, lessening this effect - however, now that the cap is off, I fear we'll be returning to the dark ages once again.

Your literary prowess precedes you.

We have state schools and student loans, so no you don't. However, the intelligent tend to be wealthy, and thus have more intelligent children, as it has links to genetics. The less intelligent tend to get more mundane jobs, and have lesser intelligent children, who get mundane jobs etc.

Everyone is different, some just aren't cut out for university, for example, so that doesn't work. Capitalism works.

I'm afraid I can no longer continue a debate with someone as bigoted and ignorant as yourself.

this is what marxists actually believe

What the hell are they?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism is what they are.

Lets see, my mum, public sector worker, research council. Low priority in public spending so she's fearing for her job.
The company my dad works for gets a lot of it's business from council contracts, they are a quality based company, without those council contracts they have no major reason to stay open in the UK and will probably end up setting up shop in europe and focusing on amercia. Another good manufacturing firm destroy by tory idiocy.

I don't believe the state owes me a living, ask anyone on this forum, I think as soon as you're 16 you should take responsibility, get a job and stop taking your parents money. I work more hours a week on average than most full time workers, with a chronic pain problem. And still attend full time education.
I believe our government owes the people a duty of care, they are only looking at the monetary side of things and booming in without a care in the world about the people, the mass disruption and destruction of peoples lives they will cause.

As usual with the tories, they think everyone has money in the bank, my parents certainly don't. They've worked hard to buy their own house and support my sister and me growing up. When I was a right little kid they were both working 70 hours a week to make ends meet. And they don't have a lot in life, an average house and a couple of run down old cars, in debt, savings depleted from all the crap thats happened and now my mum is very likely to lose her job, my dad has a chance of losing his job too.

******* tory scum, people forget to soon. Thatcher 2.0, they ****** my family last time and they're doing it again.

But it's a vicious circle is it not? To be educated you need to be wealthy, and so those at the bottom cannot escape the giant wheel they are perpetually pushing.

I like to know what other people's definitions of words are, rather than checking wikipedia, which is often vague and confusing. But thanks anyway

Moving from free tuition to 3k fees is not a more socialist method at all

The "dark ages" you are talking about are the days when people got free university education, and when a university education meant you were in high demand. These days, a university education costs you 30k, and because of this ridiculous '50% in higher education NuLab' target, graduates are no longer as valuable as they once were.

People who work hard get better jobs than those who are just intelligent.

And it's much easier to get a job with 'contacts' which people of a higher class will have more of. Which means that jobs will not necessarily be given to those best at it as others who have these 'contacts' will be given preference.

Just one of many examples.

People should get what they work for, wealth shouldn't be greatly distributed.

I would rather the wealth which has been generated through the sweat and toil of many of the poorest members of our society was spread around so that all may profit from their labour.



A wise man hypocrite was our Karl.