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Original post by wes
I've never seen the point in the library. :/ They never have anything useful.
Yeah, the BU in Limoges sucked. The only good thing about it was the internet. But it closed at 7pm and was shut at weekends.
Original post by Becca
Yeah, the BU in Limoges sucked. The only good thing about it was the internet. But it closed at 7pm and was shut at weekends.
Oh, that's crap. Paris IX is open until 8pm and on Saturday mornings, so it's pretty good for hours. It's only really useful if you don't have Internet at home though...
Original post by wes
Oh, that's crap. Paris IX is open until 8pm and on Saturday mornings, so it's pretty good for hours. It's only really useful if you don't have Internet at home though...
"Pretty good" hahaha. I suppose that's true for France
Original post by Becca
I went my whole first year without visiting the library 
I did know where it was though! And I used my college library, So it wasn't *that* bad.
I did know where it was though! And I used my college library, So it wasn't *that* bad.
Me too. But then I preferred to write essays from journal articles than books, so I rarely visited the library in my degree. Essays were written wearing pajamas in the comfort of my own room.
Though I sympathise with Alba on the writing of undergrads. Even me being a lazy economist I knew we had to reference (I think I just googled the Harvard style and stuck to that) and that essays were about developing a logical argument that reached a conclusion. My writing style left (and still leaves) something to be desired, but it shouldn't require classes to tell a student that an essay in response to a question needs an answer, and that being logical and arguing persuasively result in a better answer.
God, I absolutely lived in the library during my BA. After classes, I'd head there and often stay until they kicked me out at ten. Most of my essays benefited from the serendipitous discoveries I would make in the philosophy or Russian poetry or history of art or even, once, the law sections. They didn't have a particularly good secletion of secondary criticism, so once I'd exhausted that I tended to move to philosophy and dig out some Sartre or Kierkegaard to use as well. I'm aware this makes me sound like an unbearable swot, but oh well. I was so innocent and wide-eyed and probably learnt more in those three years than in the seventeen years before and the five years since. Makes me smile just thinking about it 
Original post by Drogue
Me too. But then I preferred to write essays from journal articles than books, so I rarely visited the library in my degree. Essays were written wearing pajamas in the comfort of my own room.
Though I sympathise with Alba on the writing of undergrads. Even me being a lazy economist I knew we had to reference (I think I just googled the Harvard style and stuck to that) and that essays were about developing a logical argument that reached a conclusion. My writing style left (and still leaves) something to be desired, but it shouldn't require classes to tell a student that an essay in response to a question needs an answer, and that being logical and arguing persuasively result in a better answer.
Though I sympathise with Alba on the writing of undergrads. Even me being a lazy economist I knew we had to reference (I think I just googled the Harvard style and stuck to that) and that essays were about developing a logical argument that reached a conclusion. My writing style left (and still leaves) something to be desired, but it shouldn't require classes to tell a student that an essay in response to a question needs an answer, and that being logical and arguing persuasively result in a better answer.
Yeah, I'd hope that most people had that basic knowledge too. Luckily I did read the handbook and followed the referencing guidelines, but my essay marks in 1st year were very inconsistent, and I never got a first on a piece of coursework.
I didn't discover JSTOR until my second year either
And that was after being shown it in a lecture on Dante. If it hadn't been for that lecturer, I dread to think how long it would've taken me to find out about journals 
I was lucky in my 1st year that at least some of my modules were purely language-based and didn't require any further reading, just lots and lots of revising and practising.
Original post by the_alba
God, I absolutely lived in the library during my BA. After classes, I'd head there and often stay until they kicked me out at ten. Most of my essays benefited from the serendipitous discoveries I would make in the philosophy or Russian poetry or history of art or even, once, the law sections. They didn't have a particularly good secletion of secondary criticism, so once I'd exhausted that I tended to move to philosophy and dig out some Sartre or Kierkegaard to use as well. I'm aware this makes me sound like an unbearable swot, but oh well. I was so innocent and wide-eyed and probably learnt more in those three years than in the seventeen years before and the five years since. Makes me smile just thinking about it
Haha, this sounds like me in 4th year. I remember when I referenced the Bible in one essay, as well as Lacan. I felt so smug
Original post by the_alba
Aye well it's all changed now, so it has!
Not really, it's basically a new initiative in one specific department (management), because they've had problems getting their students up to speed in their first year - students studying that subject tend to be less 'academic' than other York students, because the department has lower entry grades and tends to attract a lot of students who hate writing and find it difficult, apparently. So they've taken on about 20 PhD students from other departments to take take groups through a year-long module, giving them writing seminars and essay feedback.
Not really, it's basically a new initiative in one specific department (management), because they've had problems getting their students up to speed in their first year - students studying that subject tend to be less 'academic' than other York students, because the department has lower entry grades and tends to attract a lot of students who hate writing and find it difficult, apparently. So they've taken on about 20 PhD students from other departments to take take groups through a year-long module, giving them writing seminars and essay feedback.
I see
Quite a good idea really!As for the 'being adult and asking for support' / reading the handbook for referencing guidelines - that sort of behaviour is alien to most of my students from what I've seen so far. We're almost half way through the term now, and one of my students had not only not visited the library once (even though she's had to write three or four essays so far 
), she didn't know where it was. I underline this because it's the big building bang in the centre of campus with the word 'LIBRARY' written on it. None of them knew that they were supposed to reference anything anyway, and none knew about degree classifications - it makes me wonder what their lecturers have actually been teaching them so far 
), she didn't know where it was. I underline this because it's the big building bang in the centre of campus with the word 'LIBRARY' written on it. None of them knew that they were supposed to reference anything anyway, and none knew about degree classifications - it makes me wonder what their lecturers have actually been teaching them so far I shouldn't laugh but
Another GogSoc? Time flies...
Anyway, so I'm back briefly for a namesearch and a browse, and what do I come across? The Socialist Party are only holding a not-so-vote vote (lots of right deviants agreeing with each other) to rename the party commisars to officers, with a 'Leader'. Apparently, otherwise we/they are worried they're too 'Soviet'. Yeah, because THAT's why people aren't voting for them. Nothing to do with the fact they're insipid and boring... Grrr...
Anyway, so I'm back briefly for a namesearch and a browse, and what do I come across? The Socialist Party are only holding a not-so-vote vote (lots of right deviants agreeing with each other) to rename the party commisars to officers, with a 'Leader'. Apparently, otherwise we/they are worried they're too 'Soviet'. Yeah, because THAT's why people aren't voting for them. Nothing to do with the fact they're insipid and boring... Grrr...
Adorno
Quoting 'cus you'll appreciate my rage...
Original post by Alasdair
Another GogSoc? Time flies...
Anyway, so I'm back briefly for a namesearch and a browse, and what do I come across? The Socialist Party are only holding a not-so-vote vote (lots of right deviants agreeing with each other) to rename the party commisars to officers, with a 'Leader'. Apparently, otherwise we/they are worried they're too 'Soviet'. Yeah, because THAT's why people aren't voting for them. Nothing to do with the fact they're insipid and boring... Grrr...
Anyway, so I'm back briefly for a namesearch and a browse, and what do I come across? The Socialist Party are only holding a not-so-vote vote (lots of right deviants agreeing with each other) to rename the party commisars to officers, with a 'Leader'. Apparently, otherwise we/they are worried they're too 'Soviet'. Yeah, because THAT's why people aren't voting for them. Nothing to do with the fact they're insipid and boring... Grrr...
Heh. TSR Labour is turning into intellectual jelly as well. The Left in this country really lacks any sense of strength of mind. When so-called "socialists" call themselves liberals every five minutes. I'm a socialist so I'm a social liberal, I can't help but cry havoc and let slip the dogs of (class) war. Twits.
Original post by Craghyrax
Lucky I'm not on TSR for the politics...
I'm not any more have started finding far more interesting things in real life am currently hurriedly teaching myself subaltern studies so that the sections of my thesis that deal with blacks in the docklands actually stand up to current ideas.
Original post by Adorno
I'm not any more have started finding far more interesting things in real life am currently hurriedly teaching myself subaltern studies so that the sections of my thesis that deal with blacks in the docklands actually stand up to current ideas.
Sorry, wasn't trying to say that you were, but rather that I was glad I wasn't.
Original post by Alasdair
Another GogSoc? Time flies...
Anyway, so I'm back briefly for a namesearch and a browse, and what do I come across? The Socialist Party are only holding a not-so-vote vote (lots of right deviants agreeing with each other) to rename the party commisars to officers, with a 'Leader'. Apparently, otherwise we/they are worried they're too 'Soviet'. Yeah, because THAT's why people aren't voting for them. Nothing to do with the fact they're insipid and boring... Grrr...
Anyway, so I'm back briefly for a namesearch and a browse, and what do I come across? The Socialist Party are only holding a not-so-vote vote (lots of right deviants agreeing with each other) to rename the party commisars to officers, with a 'Leader'. Apparently, otherwise we/they are worried they're too 'Soviet'. Yeah, because THAT's why people aren't voting for them. Nothing to do with the fact they're insipid and boring... Grrr...
I'd wager nothing to do with either. Looking at results, it seems the vast majority of voters choose their party based on the name. Whatever they do will have little impact on the votes they get.
Original post by Craghyrax
Lucky I'm not on TSR for the politics...
I agree!
Speaking of mollycoddled undergraduates, I had to send an arsey email reply to two of my students yesterday, who were so late for their class (in a museum, not a departmental room) and so lacking in initiative that they spent the best part of an hour just hanging around hoping to bump into my group rather than, you know, LOOKING for us; then both had the temerity to email me saying that they were 'upset' at missing the class, and it was 'unfair' that they couldn't get hold of me, so could I please give them my mobile number in case they were late again?
I told them that it was their responsibility to get to class on time, and that it was not appropriate for a tutor to give our personal contact info (maintaining boundaries and all that). Furthermore, that they knew in advance which museum exhibits we would be looking at, and could have tracked us down easily. They were both American - I think that a lot of students from the US share that sense of entitlement with British undergrads.
Then I set them extra reading to make up for what they missed
I told them that it was their responsibility to get to class on time, and that it was not appropriate for a tutor to give our personal contact info (maintaining boundaries and all that). Furthermore, that they knew in advance which museum exhibits we would be looking at, and could have tracked us down easily. They were both American - I think that a lot of students from the US share that sense of entitlement with British undergrads.
Then I set them extra reading to make up for what they missed
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Original post by Milady de Winter
Speaking of mollycoddled undergraduates, I had to send an arsey email reply to two of my students yesterday, who were so late for their class (in a museum, not a departmental room) and so lacking in initiative that they spent the best part of an hour just hanging around hoping to bump into my group rather than, you know, LOOKING for us; then both had the temerity to email me saying that they were 'upset' at missing the class, and it was 'unfair' that they couldn't get hold of me, so could I please give them my mobile number in case they were late again?
I told them that it was their responsibility to get to class on time, and that it was not appropriate for a tutor to give our personal contact info (maintaining boundaries and all that). Furthermore, that they knew in advance which museum exhibits we would be looking at, and could have tracked us down easily. They were both American - I think that a lot of students from the US share that sense of entitlement with British undergrads.
Then I set them extra reading to make up for what they missed
I told them that it was their responsibility to get to class on time, and that it was not appropriate for a tutor to give our personal contact info (maintaining boundaries and all that). Furthermore, that they knew in advance which museum exhibits we would be looking at, and could have tracked us down easily. They were both American - I think that a lot of students from the US share that sense of entitlement with British undergrads.
Then I set them extra reading to make up for what they missed
Respect.
I 'had a word' with a second year student of mine who's been persistently late to class (we're talking half an hour, not five minutes). I asked them why they were never on time and whether they were having transport problems. Apparently they have a ten minute walk to get in, it's just that they are seemingly incapable of getting up before the class starts (which they explained to me with an entirely straight face as though it were a serious, legitimate problem). They were then extremely shocked when I explained that being half an hour late meant that they were missing important material that was relevant to the exam and that it wasn't going to do them any favours.
Could anybody advise me on grammar?
I'm constantly referring to a set of article authors in this essay. Which of the two ways of using 'et al' is correct?:
- Reay et al chose a useful means of defining social-class which may make the findings more compatible for comparison with other research in the same area.
- Reay et al. chose a useful means of defining social-class which may make the findings more compatible for comparison with other research in the same area.
I'm constantly referring to a set of article authors in this essay. Which of the two ways of using 'et al' is correct?:
- Reay et al chose a useful means of defining social-class which may make the findings more compatible for comparison with other research in the same area.
- Reay et al. chose a useful means of defining social-class which may make the findings more compatible for comparison with other research in the same area.
Original post by Craghyrax
Could anybody advise me on grammar?
I'm constantly referring to a set of article authors in this essay. Which of the two ways of using 'et al' is correct?:
- Reay et al chose a useful means of defining social-class which may make the findings more compatible for comparison with other research in the same area.
- Reay et al. chose a useful means of defining social-class which may make the findings more compatible for comparison with other research in the same area.
I'm constantly referring to a set of article authors in this essay. Which of the two ways of using 'et al' is correct?:
- Reay et al chose a useful means of defining social-class which may make the findings more compatible for comparison with other research in the same area.
- Reay et al. chose a useful means of defining social-class which may make the findings more compatible for comparison with other research in the same area.
"Reay et al."
This would be an abbreviation, and so et al. is appropriate for an inline reference (I'm going by the MLA style, however, so it may differ for you. I think the key is to be consistent).
How are things going in Cambridge so far, by the way?
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