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Islamic extremist found guilty of stabbing Labour MPhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11673616A student has been found guilty of attempting to murder MP Stephen Timms because he voted for the Iraq war.
Roshonara Choudhry, 21, stabbed the Labour MP for East Ham twice in the stomach at a constituency surgery in Newham, east London, in May.
Choudhry, of Central Park Road, East Ham, was also convicted of two counts of possessing a knife.
Police sources said the young Muslim student had become radicalised, BBC correspondent Jane Peel said.
She was said to have watched online sermons by Anwar al-Awlaki, a radical American Muslim cleric of Yemeni descent, our correspondent added.
Mr Awlaki has been linked to a series of attacks and plots across the world.
Jurors took 14 minutes to return guilty verdicts on Choudhry in what the judge, Mr Justice Cooke, described as an unusual case.
Choudhry, who had refused to appear in court, told her barrister Jeremy Dein QC she did not accept the court's jurisdiction and did not wish him to challenge the prosecution case.
During the half-day trial William Boyce QC, prosecuting, said Choudhry told police she attacked Mr Timms, 55, as a "punishment" and "to get revenge for the people of Iraq".
Jurors heard she made an appointment to see the MP at Beckton community centre on 14 May.
When she arrived she smiled as she walked up to him, acting as if to shake his hand, before lunging at him with a kitchen knife.
Mr Timms told the court: "She looked friendly. She was smiling, if I remember rightly."
Choudhry stabbed Mr Timms, sending him "reeling and staggering" as his assistant prised the knife from her.
She was held in a "bear hug" by a security guard until the police arrived.
Mr Boyce said Miss Choudhry told police she made the appointment solely for the purpose of attacking him.
She had two knives with her in case one broke during the attack.
In a police interview the next day she said: "I was not going to stop until someone made me.
"I wanted to kill him... I was going to get revenge for the people of Iraq."
After the attack Mr Timms was given first aid before being taken to the Royal London Hospital.
He has since made a full recovery.
The Metropolitan Police's Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stuart Osborne said Mr Timms was "extremely fortunate" not to have been killed.
He said: "Mr Timms, like all MPs, are entitled to fulfil their role without fear of violence.
"There can never be any justification for anyone carrying out such an attack."
Choudhry is due to appear via videolink for sentencing on Wednesday.
This disgraceful story opens up the debate on how we allow people to express their free speech. This woman was directly influenced by the teachings of the mentally ill Islamic preacher Awlaki, whose videos are listed all over Youtube and other websites. Should this Islamic hate speech be banned, or would its suppression be a blow to our free society?
Away from the issue of free speech, just how worrying is it that there now seems to be an entire army of extremist nutters living in Britain, believing in some imaginary god, who are at the beck and call of a disgusting hate book whenever their deluded minds see fit? Should we start actively educating our children that what they might happen to read/be told of in the Koran is not actually the word of god? I think it's a crying shame that we allow hundreds of thousands of children to be brainwashed by their parents/clerics/teachers. Take the poor girl in the story who will now spend a considerable part of her life behind bars - have we let her down by allowing the Koran legitimacy? Can we afford to carry it on? -
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Re: Islamic extremist found guilty of stabbing Labour MP(Original post by Teveth)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11673616
This disgraceful story opens up the debate on how we allow people to express their free speech. This woman was directly influenced by the teachings of the mentally ill Islamic preacher Awlaki, whose videos are listed all over Youtube and other websites. Should this Islamic hate speech be banned, or would its suppression be a blow to our free society?
A ban wouldn't work. It is just very hard to enforce and those that wish to find it will do so.
It is also a bit strange that you are using your own right to free speech to prevent others having a right to free speech.
These people are not reading the Qu'ran and then reading deciding to commit heinous acts. She didn't read the Qu'ran and then decide to stab someone.(Original post by Teveth)
Away from the issue of free speech, just how worrying is it that there now seems to be an entire army of extremist nutters living in Britain, believing in some imaginary god, who are at the beck and call of a disgusting hate book whenever their deluded minds see fit? Should we start actively educating our children that what they might happen to read/be told of in the Koran is not actually the word of god? I think it's a crying shame that we allow hundreds of thousands of children to be brainwashed by their parents/clerics/teachers. Take the poor girl in the story who will now spend a considerable part of her life behind bars - have we let her down by allowing the Koran legitimacy? Can we afford to carry it on?
It isn't as simple as that. It just acts as a moral justification for their acts rather than being a root cause.Last edited by DorianGrayism; 03-11-2010 at 05:26. -
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Re: Islamic extremist found guilty of stabbing Labour MPI always thought the motives of a troll was to get a response. You just gave him one and some motive to flame you so you carry on arguing, then he is sitting behind his keyboard saying lol I troll you.(Original post by In2deep)
What's with the intentional flaming? You've been (trolling) around enough to know that no one will answer your question now. -
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Re: Islamic extremist found guilty of stabbing Labour MPlol(Original post by In2deep)
What's with the intentional flaming? You've been (trolling) around enough to know that no one will answer your question now. -
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Re: Islamic extremist found guilty of stabbing Labour MP(Original post by Simplicity)
I always thought the motives of a troll was to get a response. You just gave him one and some motive to flame you so you carry on arguing, then he is sitting behind his keyboard saying lol I troll you.
If a troll starts a new thread then he must avoid a) Being called a troll and b) Let the thread neutralise itself and allow other members start to talk about mundane issues (and not controversial ones).
Both have happened
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Re: Islamic extremist found guilty of stabbing Labour MPHere we go, it isn't Islamic, it's cultural not religious, it's not in the Quran etc.(Original post by leemyster)
First of she is breaking the rules of Islam itself. Why could the MP see her smiling? Surely if she was following 'proper' Islam she should of had a full face veil.
Oh hang on a second....
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Qu...3-violence.htm
She was doing EXACTLY what the ideology...sorry religion of peace told her to. -
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Re: Islamic extremist found guilty of stabbing Labour MPScary stuff.(Original post by Grim_the_Reaper)
Here we go, it isn't Islamic, it's cultural not religious, it's not in the Quran etc.
Oh hang on a second....
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Qu...3-violence.htm
She was doing EXACTLY what the ideology...sorry religion of peace told her to. -
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Re: Islamic extremist found guilty of stabbing Labour MPI can't believe that I actually agree with a post of yours... I never thought it'd happen.(Original post by Teveth)
Away from the issue of free speech, just how worrying is it that there now seems to be an entire army of extremist nutters living in Britain, believing in some imaginary god, who are at the beck and call of a disgusting hate book whenever their deluded minds see fit? Should we start actively educating our children that what they might happen to read/be told of in the Koran is not actually the word of god? I think it's a crying shame that we allow hundreds of thousands of children to be brainwashed by their parents/clerics/teachers. Take the poor girl in the story who will now spend a considerable part of her life behind bars - have we let her down by allowing the Koran legitimacy? Can we afford to carry it on?
I think the very first step is to end religious brainwashing in schools, if you watch Richard Dawkins' "virus of faith" episode from his god delusion TV show, he visits some truly shocking religious schools in the UK.
This isn't just a problem of the muslim community. Globally, if you look at the number of people killing each other in arguments over who has the best imaginary friend, it's truly shocking. -
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Re: Islamic extremist found guilty of stabbing Labour MPYes it should be.(Original post by Teveth)
Should this Islam be banned?
Isn't this what you Labour people wanted a Multicultural UK in which we can all dance around holding hands no matter who they were.(Original post by Teveth)
just how worrying is it that there now seems to be an entire army of extremist nutters living in Britain, -
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Re: Islamic extremist found guilty of stabbing Labour MPYou're a daily mail reader aren't you? If not then you should be.(Original post by Ray Barone)
i bet she gets away with community service, after all if they dare to lock her up she can sue for sexism and religious discrimination
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Re: Islamic extremist found guilty of stabbing Labour MPnah, more of a daily star fan meself(Original post by DaveSmith99)
You're a daily mail reader aren't you? If not then you should be.
i see the dirty bitch in question got 15 years, hope the screws 'accidentally' leave her cell open 1 night, let the birds inside get their hands on her, chuck boiling sugar water in the ***** face who knows it might even improve the ugly ****er's looks -
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Re: Islamic extremist found guilty of stabbing Labour MPWhy is she an Islamic extremist? The fact that she was acting out of a war in an Islamic country? This pisses me off! She was acting because of a war, not because of a religion!(Original post by Teveth)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11673616
This disgraceful story opens up the debate on how we allow people to express their free speech. This woman was directly influenced by the teachings of the mentally ill Islamic preacher Awlaki, whose videos are listed all over Youtube and other websites. Should this Islamic hate speech be banned, or would its suppression be a blow to our free society?
Away from the issue of free speech, just how worrying is it that there now seems to be an entire army of extremist nutters living in Britain, believing in some imaginary god, who are at the beck and call of a disgusting hate book whenever their deluded minds see fit? Should we start actively educating our children that what they might happen to read/be told of in the Koran is not actually the word of god? I think it's a crying shame that we allow hundreds of thousands of children to be brainwashed by their parents/clerics/teachers. Take the poor girl in the story who will now spend a considerable part of her life behind bars - have we let her down by allowing the Koran legitimacy? Can we afford to carry it on? -
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Re: Islamic extremist found guilty of stabbing Labour MPReal reliable source there mate. +1 You totally owned those Muslims with undeniable evidence.(Original post by Grim_the_Reaper)
Here we go, it isn't Islamic, it's cultural not religious, it's not in the Quran etc.
Oh hang on a second....
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Qu...3-violence.htm
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Re: Islamic extremist found guilty of stabbing Labour MPI think it's a shame that young lives are being wasted due to the brainwashing of an extremist fringe. The vast majority of Muslims manage to get on with their lives without stabbing MP's or disrupting the Armistice Day silence.
The government needs to take a tougher stance against any preachers who advocate violence. -
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Re: Islamic extremist found guilty of stabbing Labour MPShe was brainwashed by Anwar al-Awlaki.
And the reason she attacked him was because he agreed with the Iraq invasion. Not because Islam told her too.Last edited by x-friends; 11-11-2010 at 20:43.
