ULTIMATE: 3rd best uni the the UK thread - with POLL
Scroll to see replies
Original post by mathmagician
You think imperial is not world famous?
Also i'm not an imperial student or applicant but I still chose it in the poll.
Also i'm not an imperial student or applicant but I still chose it in the poll.
No it is not world famous. If you ask American's what the best place to study Maths, engineering or science is then they will say MIT, Cal Tech, Camridge, Princeton e.t.c. They won't mention Imperial because how many famous people have actually studied there bar Alexander Fleming? Imperial only has 14 nobel prizes and has not won one for 30 years even though it has many fields in which it can win them in such as medicine, physics and chemisty.
If you ask people around the world (including Americans) where is the best place to study international relations, economics, management e.t.c, they will say LSE along with the Harvards, Stanfords, Oxbridge's. LSE is famous because it is the only notable place to specialise in this, but also because happens to be good at it and ranks in the world top 5. LSE also has 16 nobel prizes even though it can only win one in economics and perhaps peace and has won 1/4 of all nobels in economics and won 4 since 2001. LSE also has more world leaders amongst its alum than any other world uni bar Oxford.
People, esp Americans, are also obsessed with admissions rates at uni's as a measure of prestige. That is why Harvard and Yale are prestigious. LSE is the only UK uni that can match the ivies in terms of admissions rates with 15 applications per place.
To be honest, i see no reason why Imperial sould be regarded as better than LSE. It only ranks better demestically not (and often by 1 place) because of student satisfaction. The reason LSE has low satisfaction is because it has an insane work load (which makes it world class as well). In terms of intl rankings, we all know that LSE and other social science unis are hindered in them.
Imperial is excellent, but I am saying why it is now world famous - Imperial people say it is because politicians are more famous than scientists and have a problems with this. So what, it still means LSE is more famous and that is all that matters, especially in employment circles and LSE is always ranked in the world top 3 by employers.
Also, why did LSE beat imperial in the RAE and have more world leading research than Oxbridge?
Why do far far more Marshall Scholars pick LSE over Imperial to study?
Why has Imperial not won a nobel prize in 30 years when LSE has won 9 since then?
(edited 13 years ago)
Original post by RamocitoMorales
What I don't understand is why you bother arguing about something you know absolutely zilch about?
The London School of Economics don't even offer a course in mathematics.
And Cambridge is more prestigious than Harvard at undergraduate level, as most accept that the former has the superior educational atmosphere. Harvard is superior in its research, hence why it would be better for postgraduate research.
The London School of Economics don't even offer a course in mathematics.
And Cambridge is more prestigious than Harvard at undergraduate level, as most accept that the former has the superior educational atmosphere. Harvard is superior in its research, hence why it would be better for postgraduate research.
I am not a mathematician, but I disagree. The best place to do a PhD would be where the guy who does the best research in your field is at. That may not necessarily be at Harvard or Cambridge.
And as usual there is ignorance of anything other than US/UK. If you want to talk maths, then look at where many of the 20th century famous mathematicians came from, and you will see that a lot are French/Belgian. So I'm sure that for some areas the best are in France.
Original post by danny111
I am not a mathematician, but I disagree. The best place to do a PhD would be where the guy who does the best research in your field is at. That may not necessarily be at Harvard or Cambridge.
And as usual there is ignorance of anything other than US/UK. If you want to talk maths, then look at where many of the 20th century famous mathematicians came from, and you will see that a lot are French/Belgian. So I'm sure that for some areas the best are in France.
And as usual there is ignorance of anything other than US/UK. If you want to talk maths, then look at where many of the 20th century famous mathematicians came from, and you will see that a lot are French/Belgian. So I'm sure that for some areas the best are in France.
Why do you make too much sense for some people?
Original post by Focus08
Why do you make too much sense for some people?
I don't understand?
Original post by danny111
I am not a mathematician, but I disagree. The best place to do a PhD would be where the guy who does the best research in your field is at. That may not necessarily be at Harvard or Cambridge.
The best graduate schools in mathematics are usually Harvard, Princeton, MIT, (Cambridge, Berkeley, Michigan, Sorbonne, etc.) depending on what you want to do. But overall, I'd say Princeton was probably the best (for pure mathematics anyway).
danny111
And as usual there is ignorance of anything other than US/UK. If you want to talk maths, then look at where many of the 20th century famous mathematicians came from, and you will see that a lot are French/Belgian. So I'm sure that for some areas the best are in France.
Most 20th century mathematicians came from Germany and France because those were the centres of mathematics at the time. The University of Gottingen in Germany is one which stands out in particular, led by the likes of Gauss and Hilbert. But things changed after WWII, as many mathematicians (being of Jewish descent) fled from Europe to the USA where the Institute of Advanced Study in Princeton was founded. As a result, all of the great mathematics and mathematicians of the late 20th century and 21st century are being produced in the USA. The Institue of Advanced Study is now the centre of the mathematical world. There have been attempts of European revival such as the Max Planck Institute for Mathematics in Bonn, but the Institute of Advanced Study in Princeton is still head and shoulders above it.
Being a mathematician, who's done lots and lots of research into the mathematical world, its history, the current state of affairs, and my future prospects of postgraduate study I think I'd know a lot more than someone claiming the London School of Economics (even though they don't offer a course in mathematics) was a more reputable place to study mathematics than Cambridge.
(edited 13 years ago)
Original post by danny111
I don't understand?
He's telling you that your posts are very good.
Original post by RamocitoMorales
The best graduate schools in mathematics are usually Harvard, Princeton, MIT, (Cambridge, Berkeley, Michigan, Sorbonne, etc.) depending on what you want to do. But overall, I'd say Princeton was probably the best (for pure mathematics anyway).
Most 20th century mathematicians came from Germany and France because those were the centres of mathematics at the time. The University of Gottingen in Germany is one which stands out in particular, led by the likes of Gauss and Hilbert. But things changed after WWII, as many mathematicians (being of Jewish descent) fled from Europe to the USA where the Institute of Advanced Study in Princeton was founded. As a result, all of the great mathematics and mathematicians of the late 20th century and 21st century are being produced in the USA. The Institue of Advanced Study is now the centre of the mathematical world. There have been attempts of European revival such as the Max Planck Institute for Mathematics in Bonn, but the Institute of Advanced Study in Princeton is still head and shoulders above it.
Most 20th century mathematicians came from Germany and France because those were the centres of mathematics at the time. The University of Gottingen in Germany is one which stands out in particular, led by the likes of Gauss and Hilbert. But things changed after WWII, as many mathematicians (being of Jewish descent) fled from Europe to the USA where the Institute of Advanced Study in Princeton was founded. As a result, all of the great mathematics and mathematicians of the late 20th century and 21st century are being produced in the USA. The Institue of Advanced Study is now the centre of the mathematical world. There have been attempts of European revival such as the Max Planck Institute for Mathematics in Bonn, but the Institute of Advanced Study in Princeton is still head and shoulders above it.
hence why I mentioned only French mathematicians not German.
Being a mathematician, who's done lots and lots of research into the mathematical world, its history, the current state of affairs, and my future prospects of postgraduate study I think I'd know a lot more than someone claiming the London School of Economics (even though they don't offer a course in mathematics) was a more reputable place to study mathematics than Cambridge.
i agree with you on this. i never claimed this. if you go back the guy that said that was not me. i said i disagree on you that Harvard is the best place for postgraduate in mathematics.
edit 2: okay you said it's better than cambridge, not best overall, but okay. i still think that that depends on who your supervisor is.
(edited 13 years ago)
Original post by danny111
hence why I mentioned only French mathematicians not German
German mathematicians were also influential like their French counterparts. Hence, if you want to do a PhD at a top US university, there's the language requirement of knowing a certain level of French or German.
danny111
i agree with you on this. i never claimed this. if you go back the guy that said that was not me. i said i disagree on you that Harvard is the best place for postgraduate in economics.
It depends on what you want to do (Number Theory, Analysis, Geometry, Logic, etc.), but Harvard's certainly one of the top institutions.
danny111
i said i disagree on you that Harvard is the best place for postgraduate in economics.
Sorry, I wasn't talking about economics.
St Andrews is realistically the best imo, but the most awesome is Glasgow =D
To be fair my knowledge of unis outside of Scotland pretty much all comes from TSR, so I can't really judge any of them accurately. Glasgow's still more awesome than them though.
To be fair my knowledge of unis outside of Scotland pretty much all comes from TSR, so I can't really judge any of them accurately. Glasgow's still more awesome than them though.
(edited 13 years ago)
Original post by RamocitoMorales
German mathematicians were also influential like their French counterparts. Hence, if you want to do a PhD at a top US university, there's the language requirement of knowing a certain level of French or German.
That is quite interesting. and i know, had I lived 100 years ago I would be studying maths at Goettingen (hopefully
). It depends on what you want to do (Number Theory, Analysis, Geometry, Logic, etc.), but Harvard's certainly one of the top institutions.
Of course! In my eyes the best all round uni in the world.
Sorry, I wasn't talking about economics.
I do economics. I was in that forum so must have been thinking about it
I changed it already.
Original post by Shmeiks
How are universities like York on the list? It should be between LSE/ UCL.
And the answer is : LSE obviously.
And the answer is : LSE obviously.
York is a top ten university.
Original post by Pete's Dragon
No it is not world famous. If you ask American's what the best place to study Maths, engineering or science is then they will say MIT, Cal Tech, Camridge, Princeton e.t.c. They won't mention Imperial because how many famous people have actually studied there bar Alexander Fleming? Imperial only has 14 nobel prizes and has not won one for 30 years even though it has many fields in which it can win them in such as medicine, physics and chemisty.
If you ask people around the world (including Americans) where is the best place to study international relations, economics, management e.t.c, they will say LSE along with the Harvards, Stanfords, Oxbridge's. LSE is famous because it is the only notable place to specialise in this, but also because happens to be good at it and ranks in the world top 5. LSE also has 16 nobel prizes even though it can only win one in economics and perhaps peace and has won 1/4 of all nobels in economics and won 4 since 2001. LSE also has more world leaders amongst its alum than any other world uni bar Oxford.
People, esp Americans, are also obsessed with admissions rates at uni's as a measure of prestige. That is why Harvard and Yale are prestigious. LSE is the only UK uni that can match the ivies in terms of admissions rates with 15 applications per place.
To be honest, i see no reason why Imperial sould be regarded as better than LSE. It only ranks better demestically not (and often by 1 place) because of student satisfaction. The reason LSE has low satisfaction is because it has an insane work load (which makes it world class as well). In terms of intl rankings, we all know that LSE and other social science unis are hindered in them.
Imperial is excellent, but I am saying why it is now world famous - Imperial people say it is because politicians are more famous than scientists and have a problems with this. So what, it still means LSE is more famous and that is all that matters, especially in employment circles and LSE is always ranked in the world top 3 by employers.
Also, why did LSE beat imperial in the RAE and have more world leading research than Oxbridge?
Why do far far more Marshall Scholars pick LSE over Imperial to study?
Why has Imperial not won a nobel prize in 30 years when LSE has won 9 since then?
If you ask people around the world (including Americans) where is the best place to study international relations, economics, management e.t.c, they will say LSE along with the Harvards, Stanfords, Oxbridge's. LSE is famous because it is the only notable place to specialise in this, but also because happens to be good at it and ranks in the world top 5. LSE also has 16 nobel prizes even though it can only win one in economics and perhaps peace and has won 1/4 of all nobels in economics and won 4 since 2001. LSE also has more world leaders amongst its alum than any other world uni bar Oxford.
People, esp Americans, are also obsessed with admissions rates at uni's as a measure of prestige. That is why Harvard and Yale are prestigious. LSE is the only UK uni that can match the ivies in terms of admissions rates with 15 applications per place.
To be honest, i see no reason why Imperial sould be regarded as better than LSE. It only ranks better demestically not (and often by 1 place) because of student satisfaction. The reason LSE has low satisfaction is because it has an insane work load (which makes it world class as well). In terms of intl rankings, we all know that LSE and other social science unis are hindered in them.
Imperial is excellent, but I am saying why it is now world famous - Imperial people say it is because politicians are more famous than scientists and have a problems with this. So what, it still means LSE is more famous and that is all that matters, especially in employment circles and LSE is always ranked in the world top 3 by employers.
Also, why did LSE beat imperial in the RAE and have more world leading research than Oxbridge?
Why do far far more Marshall Scholars pick LSE over Imperial to study?
Why has Imperial not won a nobel prize in 30 years when LSE has won 9 since then?
Imperial may not be as well known as the large american instituitons that you mentioned or oxbridge, but that doesn't mean it's not internationally known. It's been rated in the top 10 universities in 2 word rankings, admittedly rankings are subjective on the criteria you rank the uni's on, but it gives an indication that imerial is highly regarded.
You seem to equate what americans think to what the world thinks. America has the best universities in the world so rarely will students look futher afield for education. I'm not saying Imerial is the best university in the world, but you can't say it isn't known internationally.
I find your use of nobel prize winners slightly abitary, Manchester comes first after oxbridge but i don't see you singing their praises over LSE or Imerial.
I'm not really fussed who you think is 3rd but your statement about Imperial was a bit ridiculous.
I voted for Warwick but was torn between there and UCL. Of course, Imperial and LSE are the best in their subjects but they don't offer much of a range. UCL tends to be more popular than Warwick but I just like Warwick a little more. (Durham is also great, but not as good as Warwick)
Hahahaha.
As if I've been negged twice in this thread for stating the plain and obvious
An Oxbridge degree will get you almost anywhere
York is a top 10 university.
Both factual. Deal with it!
As if I've been negged twice in this thread for stating the plain and obvious
An Oxbridge degree will get you almost anywhere
York is a top 10 university.
Both factual. Deal with it!
Original post by manthew
Have you ever wonder why did you get so many neg reps? I'm just curious.
And I have nothing to argue with you any further knowing your disability to comprehend simple sentences, and your unstructured laughable arguments. Come back to me when you've learnt to learn better... you're a shame of all Economics students..
And I have nothing to argue with you any further knowing your disability to comprehend simple sentences, and your unstructured laughable arguments. Come back to me when you've learnt to learn better... you're a shame of all Economics students..
Only difference between you and me being that I have secured a 30 k graduate job, and you are an A level student. Laughable, indeed.
Original post by ilickbatteries
York is a top ten university.
And?....It still is not a contender for best university in the UK disregarding Oxbridge...
Feels slightly strange belittling York having applied there...
Original post by prospectivEEconomist
Only difference between you and me being that I have secured a 30 k graduate job, and you are an A level student. Laughable, indeed.
Firstly, there are two points we can deduce here. whatness and possibility. Can't see it? Let me help you.
The possibility that you have a 30k graduate job may be sound (or not), but would it disprove my previous statement?
No, what you worked for doesn't represent what you've typed out. However, what you've typed out, on the contrary, may represents what you think. Therefore, from what you typed out can be, to a certain extent, judged of what you are, your whatness. If 'what you are', in my opinion, is laughable due to your folly statements what can be safely deduced from what you typed; You have, in the quoted box, showed that you are incapable to reason any further and turn to the only thing that you are proud of, your 30k graduate job, in which the description itself has the possibility of faux pretentious element. Thus, what you stand on is a fallible foundation, that in turns, made the whole structure of yourself seems laughable. However, you stupidly used that weak 'element' to resolve what is put forward to you equivocally.
All in all, I'm enjoying your laughable 'self', and your job which is derived from you.
On a personal note, you should stop embarrassing yourself, you are feeding.
Probably LSE seeing as they're so anal about who they accept...probably an indication that they're a good uni (or that they're just full of themselves?)
Quick Reply
Related discussions
- A Level Options for Medicine
- Shouldn't Euthanasia be made freely available to all sick old people now? because
- Medicine in uni to research later on
- Medicine - forgetting everything
- How to pick universities?
- I need advice about my A-levels and picking the right path for myself
- Is going to mid tier universities bad?
- who is better: Mr Salles or Mr Bruff??
- Student loans and bursaries
- Modules Law
- Maths Vs DT alevel
- Applying to foreign universities
- Strathclyde or Glasgow Caledonian
- TSR Community Awards 2023 - VOTING NOW CLOSED!
- University of Sheffield Clearing 2023
- Is the open university really 'two-thirds' of a brick uni degree?
- Year 13s: What are the main reasons you picked the uni you're starting in September?
- Medicine resit
- University of Nicosia Medical School 2023 entry
- St Andrews vs Oxbridge
Latest
Last reply 2 minutes ago
Got my crush's number 2 days ago and no reply yet. What could be the reasons?Posted 6 minutes ago
GB News set to axe 40 jobs after channel posts heavy lossesLast reply 8 minutes ago
Rwanda bill likely to be stalled at least till April after seven defeats in the LordsPosted 14 minutes ago
Sunak rejects offer of youth mobility scheme between EU and UKLast reply 49 minutes ago
Bank Of england degree apprenticeship 2024Last reply 54 minutes ago
Feeling inferior compared to syrians as a half moroccan/half whiteLast reply 56 minutes ago
Edexcel A Level Business Paper 1 (9BS0 01) - 14th May 2024 [Exam Chat]Last reply 1 hour ago
LSE International Social and Public Policy and Economics (LLK1) 2024 ThreadLast reply 1 hour ago
Official London School of Economics and Political Science 2024 Applicant ThreadLast reply 1 hour ago
Atkins Degree Apprenticeship 2024Last reply 1 hour ago
Official University of St Andrews Applicant Thread for 2024Trending
Last reply 1 week ago
Is it true that British unis are prejudiced towards degrees from Scottish unis?Last reply 3 weeks ago
Is University of Birmingham prestigious and respected well enough in UK ?Last reply 1 month ago
Do employers care more about the degree subject or the uni you went to?Last reply 1 month ago
Schools failing bright pupils says teen taking 28 a levelsTrending
Last reply 1 week ago
Is it true that British unis are prejudiced towards degrees from Scottish unis?Last reply 3 weeks ago
Is University of Birmingham prestigious and respected well enough in UK ?Last reply 1 month ago
Do employers care more about the degree subject or the uni you went to?Last reply 1 month ago
Schools failing bright pupils says teen taking 28 a levels
