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Reply 40
It can be 130th in the world because there are other Universities in the world aside from ones over here.... also, you really can't dispute most of the British ones that are higher than Bath on that list.
Reply 41
amie
130??! Bath is 130?! How can it be 130 in the world rankings but 10th in the Sunday Times ranking?! These tables make no sense, they're all a load of rubbish.


Stop this denial. You're ranking these schools against the world.
I am surprised, though, to see Natl Univ Singapore at 22.
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arkbar
It can be 130th in the world because there are other Universities in the world aside from ones over here.... also, you really can't dispute most of the British ones that are higher than Bath on that list.


at least oxbridge is 3 and 4
and LSE/Imperial isn't too bad.
Reply 42
soonalvin
Stop this denial. You're ranking these schools against the world.
I am surprised, though, to see Natl Univ Singapore at 22.


me too. seems a bit too high up on the table? :rolleyes:
Reply 43
I was suprised to see Manchester beat Durham/Nottingham/Warwick/Bristol/York/KCL, but it's probably something to do with reputation and large faculty size.
arkbar
I was suprised to see Manchester beat Durham/Nottingham/Warwick/Bristol/York/KCL, but it's probably something to do with reputation and large faculty size.

Or just better. :p:

In fairness though a bigger university is going to be able to do more research and hence people are more likely to come across it. UMIST also had a very high reputation as it was very specialist and hence this has helped no end in increasing the repuation of Manchester.
Reply 45
JustaGuy
me too. seems a bit too high up on the table? :rolleyes:


possibly. i think some of the schools ranked below it are much better.
Reply 46
lhwjud
Here is the Top100 ranking.

1 1 Harvard University
2 3 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
3 6 Cambridge University
4 5 Oxford University


Currently, I'm studying at Oxford. But I did recieve offers from MIT, which I rejected.
Reply 47
reckless
Currently, I'm studying at Oxford. But I did recieve offers from MIT, which I rejected.


??huh?? your point in this post being?? :confused:

That you think oxford is better than MIT (because you rejected MIT)?

Or that you are regretting having rejected the offers from MIT? (because MIT is now "better" than oxford according to the rankings?)
A drop of 59 places overrall and from 7th highest ranked UK institution to 15th for SOAS in the very year i actually go there *sigh. I dont understand how there can be such huge fluctuations in this table from last years.
Reply 49
Difference in academic output (citations making up part of the score) or of other people's opinions (peer review).
Reply 50
arkbar
It can be 130th in the world because there are other Universities in the world aside from ones over here.... also, you really can't dispute most of the British ones that are higher than Bath on that list.


Oh deary...I've been misunderstood. I did sound a bit hysterical in that earlier post!

My point is, Bath is 10th in the Sunday Times league tables. However, there are more than 10 British universities above it in the world ranking. Therefore, either one or both or the league tables lacks credibility.

Thanks for the neg rep, whoever that was :rolleyes:

Edit: I just re-read the original post and realised how badly it must have come across! I didn't mean it like "how dare they put Bath in 130th place!", I just can't believe the inconsistencies between these tables and how misleading they could be to someone applying to university. Its beyond a joke :frown:
Reply 51
amie


Edit: I just re-read the original post and realised how badly it must have come across! I didn't mean it like "how dare they put Bath in 130th place!", I just can't believe the inconsistencies between these tables and how misleading they could be to someone applying to university. Its beyond a joke :frown:


Well, different institutions that make rankings look at different things. This one mainly focuses on research and hence mainly science. So the universities weak in the sciences aren't going to get much credit.
From a google search I've come across the following criticism about THES in a website and so felt like posting it here for getting your personal opinions.
Garry Stevens
Irked that some parvenus in a supposed–Third World nation had deigned to pass judgement on the First World, the well-respected The Times Higher Education Supplement (THES) in the United Kingdom came up with its own Top 200 list of the world's best universities in November 2004; together with some sniffy commentary on the ostensible defects of the SJTU ratings. They repeated the exercise in November 2005.

The THES ranks the Australian universities much higher than SJTU. We are more than dubious. The 2005 THES ratings places two Australian universities as better than every single university in Europe, save two; as better than every university in Japan save one; as better than UCSD, Cornell, UCLA, the Ecole Polytechnique, Kyoto and Johns Hopkins.

That is crap: pure and simple. THES can't even get the names of the universities correct. It's not ‘Tasmania University’ but the ‘University of Tasmania’, for example. We found six Aussie misnamings like this. Silly pedantic issue? Perhaps, but if they cannot even get the name right, why should we expect they have their calculations right?

We think that the toffs at THES have some very serious rethinking to do. We also suggest that those academics {professors} at those two Aussie universities who are ecstatic at the THES ratings release their grip from their genitalia and apply it to reality instead.
Source: http://www.archsoc.com/kcas/bestunis.html
Reply 53
"release their grip from their genitalia and apply it to reality instead"
Hahaha.
Seriously though, league tables are all a pile of rubbish. I have absolutely no faith in them. Why worry. It's obvious which universities are well regarded and have high teaching quality, and it's important to go somewhere you'd be comfortable. Why say "ooh, I better not go there because it's the bottom of the table" when actually it's all you've ever wanted? Pah.
League tables are a useful starting point, but nothing more than that.
Reply 54
supercat
Seriously though, league tables are all a pile of rubbish.


Agreed. Choose a university YOU like, not one some editor at The Times likes. :smile:
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From a google search I've come across the following criticism about THES in a website and so felt like posting it here for getting your personal opinions. Source: http://www.archsoc.com/kcas/bestunis.html

That 'critique' is quite embaressing.
i think its just the general rep that matters, even if the australian uni is higher than cornell and columbia, everyone knows cornell and columbia are much better, so i guess name recognition is much more important and THES's top 10 is pretty legit lol
Reply 57
an Siarach
That 'critique' is quite embaressing.


I agree! It was badly toned, and most people would just pay scant regards to its contents anyway.
Reply 58
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From a google search I've come across the following criticism about THES in a website and so felt like posting it here for getting your personal opinions. Source: http://www.archsoc.com/kcas/bestunis.html


I just noticed that THES rankings often used the format of "XXX University," even though some universities would prefer a different format/word order. For example, it used "Cambridge University" and "Oxford University" rather than "University of Cambridge" and "University of Oxford."

This is probably just a minor detail, and many people from, say, Cambridge wouldn't care if their uni was called "Cambridge University" or "University of Cambridge." But I imagine that some unis would be particular about the word order/name used for the uni.

Just as an example: I'm curious about #109, York University. Actually, there are two "York Universities" in the world: the "University of York" in the UK and "York University" in Canada. So I'm wondering which "York Univ" was referred to in the THES ranking. What if the THES people had questionnaires asking academics around the world what they thought of "York Univ," and some gave "York Univ" a higher or lower peer review rating, thinking that they were rating one or the other? :confused:

I couldn't access the full list (I didn't want to go through the hassle of signing up for THES :biggrin:) so if the explanation for this was actually in THES already, please do share the information. :smile:
Reply 59
treff
I just noticed that THES rankings often used the format of "XXX University," even though some universities would prefer a different format/word order. For example, it used "Cambridge University" and "Oxford University" rather than "University of Cambridge" and "University of Oxford."




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