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Men better than women?

I've always been one for gender equality and believe there should be equal rights and no discrimination between genders.

Often when this question of man vs woman was asked whilst emphasising man having more contributions to society, more discoveries etc. I always used to say that this has been the case because women have been socially oppressed in the earlier centuries and weren't given the same opportunities to make a difference and achieve all those things so it's not a fair comparison.

Now my question is, WHY was that the case? Why were men dominant and held more importance in the social hierarchy for thousands of years? As in, how did it get to that stage...is the answer that men were 'better' than woman and so were able to establish that dominance and therefore earning that right to have more opportunities and be first in line?

When human beings first started out there weren't any social conventions or gender inequality, it was a clean slate so it's not like the female species started out at a disadvantage being socially oppressed from the very minute of their existence.

Is it a case of men establishing that they were naturally better and society/social dynamics evolved in a way that gave them the top step? It's not like they were handed their right to be the 'better' gender on a plate, surely it's because they earned it by demonstrating that it is indeed the case?

I'd just like to point out I'm not saying that men are better than woman, nor am I trying to cause trouble with a debate that I'm sure has gone on long enough on here. I'm just trying to establish the reasons behind women being socially oppressed and therefore not being able to demonstrate their abilities as a gender.

Please share your views...

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Reply 1

amsie/

men are ****heads :mad:

Reply 2

veux

As most feminist writers have highlighted, women over the ages have been completely complicit in their own downfall. Women are physiologically different from men, they are never going to be happy with the same set of values and the same place in all of societies strands.

Reply 3

Liam 09

Fair points, unfortunate title.

Reply 4

Yawn11

Women ARE better than men...

Spoiler

Reply 5

Imperatore

Original post by amsie/

men are ****heads :mad:

So that's one girl who discredits her own gender by posting something laughably ridiculous. Any more...?

Reply 6

Meghaan

without women there would be no men

Reply 7

amsie/

Original post by Imperatore

So that's one girl who discredits her own gender by posting something laughably ridiculous. Any more...?

haha fine, well you know sometimes female scientist did the discoveries and men took the credit... :smile:

Reply 8

username549578

Original post by Imperatore

IWhen human beings first started out there weren't any social conventions or gender inequality, it was a clean slate so it's not like the female species started out at a disadvantage being socially oppressed from the very minute of their existence.
...

Isnt that assuming humans just popped out of nowhere? They didnt just magically appear fully formed and ready for action.

Its probably harder being a woman. Imagine bleeding from your penis every month :eek:

So i dont think we are in any position to say who is better.

Reply 9

FloppyBunny789

Is the Pope Catholic?

Reply 10

username549578

Original post by Meghaan

without women there would be no men

Without men there would be no women

Reply 11

Yawn11

Original post by Meghaan

without women there would be no men

Without men there would be no women!!

Adam gave up a rib for you bitches.

Reply 12

CombineHarvester

Original post by amsie/

haha fine, well you know sometimes female scientist did the discoveries and men took the credit... :smile:

Source?

Reply 13

amsie/

Original post by CombineHarvester

Source?

http://www.nature.com/scitable/forums/women-in-science/credit-bypasses-the-woman-scientist-10017014

Reply 14

Kerny

Original post by amsie/

men are ****heads :mad:

women are ****heads

see what I did there

Reply 15

amsie/

Original post by Kerny

women are ****heads

see what I did there

yup... the epitome of wit :wink:

Reply 16

BambieWambie

Women give birth to men, so there wouldn't be men w/o women.

Evolutionary wise. Also men are actually females as foetuses. They become male when testosterone is added. Badly constructed sentences.

(edited 13 years ago)

Reply 17

username549578

Original post by BambieWambie

Women give birth to men, so there wouldn't be men w/o women.

Evolutionary wise. Also men are actually females as foetuses. They become male when testosterone is added. Badly constructed sentences.

Men give sperm to women, so there wouldnt be women without men :biggrin:

see what i did there

Reply 18

edd360

Well OP you seem to be missing the fact that men are genetically physically superior, in general (and would have been much more so the case when mankind first began). So obviously, men just literally and physically took the dominant role. There should indeed be a gender equality in today's society, but please it really really pisses me off when people even try to argue then men are not physically dominant, which is obviously the cause for it.

Reply 19

Imperatore

Original post by edd360

A very good point. Certainly back in the caveman days (or whatever it's called) physical strength was a very significant (and probably deciding) factor as is often the case in the animal world.

So would you say that because men are genetically made to be physically superior to females that at the early stages men were the better/more able gender which ultimately determined their superiority in society over women?