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    (Original post by hollywoodbudgie)
    Essays don't write themselves. :console:
    What's it on?
    The concept of work, choose your own contemporary topic and relate it to the theories that have been discussed within class. I chose to talk about sweatshops now I've had to mention Marxism, Post fordism, Mechanical solidarity the ethical problems with overworking and made my main focus on the ways in which these "employees" in sweatshops get exploited by massive conglomerates I've found myself ranting on about Marxism and generically agreeing with him for the most part of this essay. I think Im turning into a communist or at the very least a passive leftist, my parents will kill me
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    (Original post by ChaoticSkills)
    The concept of work, choose your own contemporary topic and relate it to the theories that have been discussed within class. I chose to talk about sweatshops now I've had to mention Marxism, Post fordism, Mechanical solidarity the ethical problems with overworking and made my main focus on the ways in which these "employees" in sweatshops get exploited by massive conglomerates I've found myself ranting on about Marxism and generically agreeing with him for the most part of this essay. I think Im turning into a communist or at the very least a passive leftist, my parents will kill me
    I feel your pain there. I've noticed that ever since starting university and doing some reading into philosophy and Marxism, not to mention my current disgust at the goverment with the MP scandals, tution fee backstabbing and the whole coalition itself, I've certainly gone more left than I was before.
    I actually am starting to feel sympathy for Anarchists...

    ...Which my dad would certainly not approve of and would also kill me.

    Good luck with the essay!

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    (Original post by hollywoodbudgie)
    I feel your pain there. I've noticed that ever since starting university and doing some reading into philosophy and Marxism, not to mention my current disgust at the goverment with the MP scandals, tution fee backstabbing and the whole coalition itself, I've certainly gone more left than I was before.
    I actually am starting to feel sympathy for Anarchists...

    ...Which my dad would certainly not approve of and would also kill me.

    Good luck with the essay!

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    Have you been to any of the tution fee protests? :holmes:
    It doesn't surprise me, everybody else feel's the same way I fail to see the logic in this government. They're pricing the working class out of going to university which means only those very well off will be able to go. Oh the joy more toffs from Eaton will rule this country in the near future :rolleyes:

    Police cuts as well, so much for keeping people safe how do they expect an understaffed police force to keep the whole country safe :confused:

    Ah the tories, I really hope people realise the mistake they made when they voted them in. The Lib dems? I am not even going to mention them they broke their promise and I don't know how Clegg can look people in the face anymore.

    Honestly I wasn't this much as a leftist in the past, I was all about Turkish nationalism :cool: and pan Turkism since then I've pretty much switched my political beliefs. But still deep down I consider myself a patriot at the very least I like believe that I possess undying love for the motherland and yavru vatan

    Thanks for wishing me luck hope you do well in future/essays and exams as well.

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    I have not been to any student protests my friends didn't seem interested so I didn't have anyone to go with :cool:
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    Salaam can I post here tho am not a Turk? Basically, am a Pakistani but love turkey and it's people so hi 5 lol

    Basically, am warrior and doin law at the uni of Liverpool.
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    half turkish, dont speak it tho. Im proud (even if pride of country is irrational)
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    keep your sharing ....
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    (Original post by warrior-1)
    Salaam can I post here tho am not a Turk? Basically, am a Pakistani but love turkey and it's people so hi 5 lol

    Basically, am warrior and doin law at the uni of Liverpool.
    That's good. I support Liverpool. :lfc:

    (Original post by sinbad23)
    half turkish, dont speak it tho. Im proud (even if pride of country is irrational)
    What's nationality is your other half?
    Cypriot? :P
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    hey im 1/2 turkish
    i thought that there already was a group like this but anyway...
    what's everyone applying for?
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    (Original post by Mr.Messy)
    That's good. I support Liverpool. :lfc:



    What's nationality is your other half?
    Cypriot? :P
    half turkish, quarter english quarter irish, how about you mate, you at uni?
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    (Original post by TSR5678)
    hey im 1/2 turkish
    i thought that there already was a group like this but anyway...
    what's everyone applying for?
    welcome, primary education.you?
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    lol thanks
    what? primary education?! im applying for uni lol for geography
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    (Original post by TSR5678)
    lol thanks
    what? primary education?! im applying for uni lol for geography
    yeh want to become a primary school teacher, ah cool, which unis you thinking of going to
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    lol oh soz i thought you meant you were at primary school!
    So where do you want to study teaching?
    I think I want to go to UCL or Birmingham
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    (Original post by ChaoticSkills)
    It doesn't surprise me, everybody else feel's the same way I fail to see the logic in this government. They're pricing the working class out of going to university which means only those very well off will be able to go. Oh the joy more toffs from Eaton will rule this country in the near future :rolleyes:

    Police cuts as well, so much for keeping people safe how do they expect an understaffed police force to keep the whole country safe :confused:

    Ah the tories, I really hope people realise the mistake they made when they voted them in. The Lib dems? I am not even going to mention them they broke their promise and I don't know how Clegg can look people in the face anymore.

    Honestly I wasn't this much as a leftist in the past, I was all about Turkish nationalism :cool: and pan Turkism since then I've pretty much switched my political beliefs. But still deep down I consider myself a patriot at the very least I like believe that I possess undying love for the motherland and yavru vatan
    Same here.

    I'm not a nationalist, I'm a patriot and I've only just come to start to realise the huge difference between these terms. A nationalist believes that the state is of primary importance, whereas a patriot loves their country, and a country isn't defined by the country's group of people that comprises the government. I think that being patriotic is far more important than being nationalistic.

    Önce Vatan!... I will never let go of that no matter my political beliefs.

    Pity my parents wouldn't get this if I explained it to them. :sigh:

    (Original post by ChaoticSkills)
    Thanks for wishing me luck hope you do well in future/essays and exams as well.

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    I have not been to any student protests my friends didn't seem interested so I didn't have anyone to go with :cool:
    Tesekkurler.

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    There's another one on the 20th...
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    (Original post by hollywoodbudgie)
    I'm not a nationalist, I'm a patriot and I've only just come to start to realise the huge difference between these terms. A nationalist believes that the state is of primary importance, whereas a patriot loves their country, and a country isn't defined by the country's group of people that comprises the government. I think that being patriotic is far more important than being nationalistic.
    No, you've got it all wrong.

    Patriotism is pride in a country. Nationalism is pride in a nation. There is a difference. A nation-state is generally thought of as a country formed of people overwhelmingly of the same ethnicity and historical background. So a nation-state is basically a country made up mostly of one "people" or ethnicity. A country itself is just the political state.
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    (Original post by sinbad23)
    half turkish, quarter english quarter irish, how about you mate, you at uni?
    Nope, applied this year though, for Economics.
    Did you?
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    Hello~ Half Turk coming through, despite not knowing the language. (Long story why~)
    How are we all?

    (Original post by ChaoticSkills)
    The concept of work, choose your own contemporary topic and relate it to the theories that have been discussed within class. I chose to talk about sweatshops now I've had to mention Marxism, Post fordism, Mechanical solidarity the ethical problems with overworking and made my main focus on the ways in which these "employees" in sweatshops get exploited by massive conglomerates I've found myself ranting on about Marxism and generically agreeing with him for the most part of this essay. I think Im turning into a communist or at the very least a passive leftist, my parents will kill me
    Ooo, sounds like sociology. Maxism is a very interesting concept, though like all these big macro theories - I don't think they can be truly relevant in today's society.

    I'm a bit of a lefty myself, though not quite the communist... Being more of a casual socialist.

    (Original post by sinbad23)
    half turkish, dont speak it tho. Im proud (even if pride of country is irrational)
    *Waves*
    I've never been to Turkey myself, and I am not very patriotic myself. But I suppose, pride can lead to some kind of happiness sometimes. Happiness is good.

    (Original post by TSR5678)
    hey im 1/2 turkish
    i thought that there already was a group like this but anyway...
    what's everyone applying for?
    Hello there =)
    I'm applying for Creative Writing and Religious Studies.
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    (Original post by hollywoodbudgie)
    Same here.

    I'm not a nationalist, I'm a patriot and I've only just come to start to realise the huge difference between these terms. A nationalist believes that the state is of primary importance, whereas a patriot loves their country, and a country isn't defined by the country's group of people that comprises the government. I think that being patriotic is far more important than being nationalistic.

    Önce Vatan!... I will never let go of that no matter my political beliefs.

    Pity my parents wouldn't get this if I explained it to them. :sigh:



    Tesekkurler.

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    Not to mention all the radical ideas and complete xenophobia you get from nationalism. If a party like MHP ruled the country Turkey would be run on old customs and would only increase the tension with our neighbours. Our people want radicial change parties like MHP appeal to such people. Shame they can never stick to their promises.

    Turkish parents refuse to change their political beliefs, they're old school. :cool:

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    I shall consider going I just need my really rich parents to tell the chauffuer to drive me there on the day lol jk
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    (Original post by Tulin)
    Hello~ Half Turk coming through, despite not knowing the
    Ooo, sounds like sociology. Maxism is a very interesting concept, though like all these big macro theories - I don't think they can be truly relevant in today's society.
    Well the basic concept's of marxism regarding how the market works, use and exhange value pretty much sum up our shopping habits within this day and age still despite the fact that he wrote his manifesto two centuries ago. His criticism of capitalism is justified in some ways but there's a lot of loopholes in his arguments as well. I guess you need to take the good with the bad and make your own interpretation on what he's trying to say.
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    (Original post by ChaoticSkills)
    Not to mention all the radical ideas and complete xenophobia you get from nationalism. If a party like MHP ruled the country Turkey would be run on old customs and would only increase the tension with our neighbours. Our people want radicial change parties like MHP appeal to such people. Shame they can never stick to their promises.

    Turkish parents refuse to change their political beliefs, they're old school. :cool:

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    I shall consider going I just need my really rich parents to tell the chauffuer to drive me there on the day lol jk
    I'll be honest with you, I know virtually nothing about Turkish politics, (and about politics in general ) so I better not get into this otherwise I'll end up making some pretty absurd statements.

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    You have a family chauffuer? Pssh that's nothing. I've got a personal chauffeur. :cheeky:


    (Original post by Tulin)
    Hello~ Half Turk coming through, despite not knowing the language. (Long story why~)
    How are we all?
    Hello,
    I like long stories.

    (Original post by RamocitoMorales)
    No, you've got it all wrong.

    Patriotism is pride in a country. Nationalism is pride in a nation. There is a difference. A nation-state is generally thought of as a country formed of people overwhelmingly of the same ethnicity and historical background. So a nation-state is basically a country made up mostly of one "people" or ethnicity. A country itself is just the political state.
    Thanks, I'm starting to understand it a bit more now.

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