[B-Man.]

(Original post by ak137)
Although I hate Morsi and the MB in general, I do think that this is a step in the right direction.

Why do you hate Morsi and the MB?

[ak137]

(Original post by B-Man.)
Why do you hate Morsi and the MB?

Reactionary idiots will always sell out their people and country to the west. Egypt and the wider Arab world needs someone like Nasser. Morsi is nothing like Nasser. Here's what Nasser thinks of MB:

[MxSK]

(Original post by Democracy)
The usual things you repeatedly say when this particular organisation is brought up. Even when logic and history contradict what you're saying.

That however, is all in the past (both in this thread and the Persian society) and something I cba to get into, and which I wouldn't have done on this occasion, except that you brought my username into it in your previous post. Your post implied indirectly that I'm some sort of representative or ambassador for the Mojahedin to react in such an angry way to your post.

[i updated the post, it was badly worded.]

Any "implication" that you were a representative or something is just the same as the "implication" the other side of being an IRI stooge... It's a ridiculous thing that iranians get into.

Just to clarify, in previous discussion, when you pointed out the bad history and sources i had posted, i took your points clearly and saw the error in my ways. I haven't "repeatedly" said anything.

Do you have a problem with what i said in the post in question though? I mean the speaker list is the most telling. Even if you were to take them at their word that they're for secular democracy (the identical impeccable hijabs doesnt help), or that they've renounced violence -> I don't understand why this group can't just interact with iranians, like everyone else...

[B-Man.]

(Original post by ak137)
Reactionary idiots will always sell out their people and country to the west. Egypt and the wider Arab world needs someone like Nasser. Morsi is nothing like Nasser. Here's what Nasser thinks of MB:

I hope MB doesn't sell out like you claim they will, even if I do fear that they already have.

I agree about Egypt/Arab nations needing a leader similar to Nasser though. Also a pretty funny clip too; "let him wear it."

[Ferdowsi]

(Original post by ak137)
Reactionary idiots will always sell out their people and country

Best ten words you have written! This sums up the whole situation in Egypt.

[Ferdowsi]

(Original post by Lord Hysteria)
Then it does matter

Today I saw an unveiled Iranian girl in the underground with a book in her hand in Farsi with a glorifying picture of Ayatollah Khomeini ... I was cracking my knuckles ...

Well firstly you have no idea what her views are. Secondly, how did you know she was an Iranian anyway?

[Aj12]

(Original post by ak137)
This was test for Syrian air defence (Turks possibly did it on purpose? Who knows).


Although I hate Morsi and the MB in general, I do think that this is a step in the right direction.

Maybe, just seems odd to have your finger on the trigger like that.

[ak137]

(Original post by B-Man.)
I hope MB doesn't sell out like you claim they will, even if I do fear that they already have.

I agree about Egypt/Arab nations needing a leader similar to Nasser though. Also a pretty funny clip too; "let him wear it."

I think they already have tbh.

Haha yeah, Nasser's grin is priceless towards the end

(Original post by Ferdowsi)
Best ten words you have written! This sums up the whole situation in Egypt.

....and here comes Ferdowsi out of nowhere!

lol, you've been inactive for months

I write a lot of good words

(Original post by Aj12)
Maybe, just seems odd to have your finger on the trigger like that.

Syria cant take any chances especially after the 2007 bombing.

[MxSK]

(Original post by Aj12)
Maybe, just seems odd to have your finger on the trigger like that.

Exactly, what are they thinking just shooting down planes without warning?

But you could ask the same question with different emphasis. WHY would they have their finger on the trigger like that? It seems incredibly bizarre...

I mean yes it could be some sort of warning "don't mess with us"... but it just makes them look even more dangerous, more irresponsible and more out of control. This could end up being one of the main reasons used for an intervention.

EDIT: lol simultaneously added both the points you two just posted below...

[Ferdowsi]

(Original post by MxSK)
Exactly, what are they thinking just shooting down planes without warning?

But you could ask the same question with different emphasis. WHY would they have their finger on the trigger like that? It seems incredibly bizarre...

Signal to Turkey to step back, I dunno. Really odd affair the whole thing.

[Aj12]

(Original post by MxSK)
Exactly, what are they thinking just shooting down planes without warning?

But you could ask the same question with different emphasis. WHY would they have their finger on the trigger like that? It seems incredibly bizarre...

I can't think of a reason they would. Granted they may well fear some sort of air assault in support of the rebellion but this is unlikely to come out of nowhere and won't consist of a single reconissance plane. Secondly by shooting down a Turkish plane they just increase the chance of some sort of intervention so really the Syrians should be being far more careful right now rather than shooting down anything within a mile of their airspace.

[Ferdowsi]

(Original post by Aj12)
I can't think of a reason they would. Granted they may well fear some sort of air assault in support of the rebellion but this is unlikely to come out of nowhere and won't consist of a single reconissance plane. Secondly by shooting down a Turkish plane they just increase the chance of some sort of intervention so really the Syrians should be being far more careful right now rather than shooting down anything within a mile of their airspace.

Yeah exactly what I thought. It could well be a genuine mistake, but why would they be so trigger happy?

Odd.

[Brutal Honesty]

Saudi owned Al Arabiya is anti-MB and pro-Mubarak, they're the ones who came up with the bogus necrophilia story and another one today about a Morsi supporter killing his pregnant wife so clearly the Sauds aren't happy with this election.

[MxSK]

(Original post by Brutal Honesty)
Saudi owned Al Arabiya is anti-MB and pro-Mubarak, they're the ones who came up with the bogus necrophilia story and another one today about a Morsi supporter killing his pregnant wife so clearly the Sauds aren't happy with this election.

Oh really? I heard that he has said stuff like "the shia are worse than the jews" and was thinking to myself that was must be coming from the saudis. guess not.

it's funny how shafiq was the one calling for better ties with iran, lol.

[Phantom Lord]

(Original post by Brutal Honesty)
Saudi owned Al Arabiya is anti-MB and pro-Mubarak, they're the ones who came up with the bogus necrophilia story and another one today about a Morsi supporter killing his pregnant wife so clearly the Sauds aren't happy with this election.

They're also the ones who first printed that 'Dozens of Iraq emos stoned to death' story which turned out to be nonsense.
Anyway, speaking of Saudi, they just allowed female athletes (well one) to compete in the Olympics. Better late than never I suppose.

[Brutal Honesty]

(Original post by AkaJetson)
They're also the ones who first printed that 'Dozens of Iraq emos stoned to death' story which turned out to be nonsense.
Anyway, speaking of Saudi, they just allowed female athletes (well one) to compete in the Olympics. Better late than never I suppose.

A Palestinian from Ohio.

[Democracy]

(Original post by MxSK)
[i updated the post, it was badly worded.]

Any "implication" that you were a representative or something is just the same as the "implication" the other side of being an IRI stooge... It's a ridiculous thing that iranians get into.

Just to clarify, in previous discussion, when you pointed out the bad history and sources i had posted, i took your points clearly and saw the error in my ways. I haven't "repeatedly" said anything.

Do you have a problem with what i said in the post in question though? I mean the speaker list is the most telling. Even if you were to take them at their word that they're for secular democracy (the identical impeccable hijabs doesnt help), or that they've renounced violence -> I don't understand why this group can't just interact with iranians, like everyone else...

I don't have a "problem" with it, because I have no personal involvement in this issue, and anyway, this is TSR and nothing you and I say on here has any wider significance or impact. However, I do disagree with what you wrote (and I definitely disagree with your sources - which are simply incorrect in terms of the info they provide).

Oh and btw, the hejabs are not uniform at all...they signify rank. And wearing a hejab does not preclude one from being a secularist. That said, I think the hejab is misogynistic and vile, so I'll attack it for these reasons.

I could go through the BBC article line by line, but I really really cba. I will however tell you one thing, which is that "The MEK forced its members to divorce" is misleading. Considering so many Mojahedin members and sympathisers are married, it just doesn't make sense.

Camp Ashraf is (or was) supposedly a military base of an armed resistance organisation. It's not a children's summer camp. I challenge you to name any army or resistance organisation which encourages relationships between its combatants or the mingling of different genders. That's just not how you run a militant organisation.

Being a resistance fighter is not a walk in the park. Lines like the above which I have just analysed are why I can't be bothered to further go through an article written by an organisation which consistently toes the pro-reformist line.

Incidentally, I suggest the BBC learns the difference between the Mojahedin-e Khalq and Peykar. And that the Mojahedin learn how to explain themselves better to BBC journalists instead of blaming it on "another group". That said the Mojahedin was pretty vile in the pre-revolutionary/immediate post-revolutionary era, but then again so were all the other groups of that era, so again, this point is irrelevant.

And finally, I will finish by saying that I do not consider the Haft-e Tir bombing and the resulting deaths of over one hundred Islamic Republic fascists to be a bad thing in any way, shape or form. Neither do I consider a bad thing that the French Resistance fought against the Nazis.

[Aj12]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-18445370
Military figures defect to Turkey. Perhaps a small chance we might find out why they shot down that jet, or at least why Syria are so paranoid.

[MxSK]

The CIA has for the first time created a National Intelligence Office for Iran. Jillian Burns has been appointed as the first to take position as director of the Iran NIO.

[slightly] more info here: http://www.dni.gov/nic/NIC_personnel.html

Traditionally they have one for a continent or a region. North Korea has had one for its self though.


[FYI: I got this from the twitter feed of a Council of Foreign Relations Fellow.]

[Stalin]

I found this article quite amusing.

Turkey says Syria fired on one of its planes that was taking part in a rescue operation for a warplane shot down by Syrian forces last Friday.

Turkey's deputy PM said the CASA search and rescue plane, looking for the F-4 Phantom jet, was not brought down.

He vowed Syria would "not go unpunished" but that Turkey had "no intention" of going to war.

How can Assad be punished if you have no intention whatsoever of going to war? Oh Turkey.....