[Karma Charger]

Just came back from watching it a second time I have a few questions though

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How old is Bane supposed to be? Surely he's older than Batman, as he was at least an old teenager when he protected Talia? At least 20 years have passed since then surely... Why is Bane so much stronger than Batman? There is no venom (steroid, basically), he's older than Batman (?), both of them were trained by the League of Shadows. The first time you could put it down to Batman being rusty, but the second time, before Batman pierced Bane's mask he was getting his ass kicked again...

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(Original post by Karma Charger)
Just came back from watching it a second time I have a few questions though

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How old is Bane supposed to be? Surely he's older than Batman, as he was at least an old teenager when he protected Talia? At least 20 years have passed since then surely... Why is Bane so much stronger than Batman? There is no venom (steroid, basically), he's older than Batman (?), both of them were trained by the League of Shadows. The first time you could put it down to Batman being rusty, but the second time, before Batman pierced Bane's mask he was getting his ass kicked again...

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You could put it down to Batman being out of action for so long so he was bound to be rusty. Even so, batman's previous villains he fought were no where near as physically strong as Bane. Raz Ah goul (or however it's spelt) was technically amazing but physically, not so much and the Joker was just hard to locate.

With Bane's age, I think he'd of had to be at least in his late 40s or early 50s for it to make sense.

With the street ball, I saw it as 50/50. Bane wasn't kicking Batman's ass and Batman wasn't beating Bane.

[Ape Gone Insane]

(Original post by Plato's Trousers)
Now I don't believe I have yet been in a thread involving the legendary A.G.I. Obviously we all know who you are from your unfeasibly high rep score (meaning you always show up first in the members list when trying to find people), but I wasn't sure if you were actually real or merely a TSR marketing and promotional exercise ("look folks, here's something to aim at")

I am delighted to see you actually exist and post stuff just like the rest of us It's a privilege, Sir/Madam.

Er, thanks? I'm pretty active around these parts though.

(Original post by aja89)

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So what did people make of the very last shot? Alfred's dream or his dream come true?

I prefer the interpretation that it's just a continuation of the recurring dream he has already told Bruce about earlier in the film, but the clunky chunky little scene with Fox and the whole fixed auto-pilot situation can't be ignored I suppose. I wish Nolan had cut that out!

I dare say Inception has spoiled you. The auto pilot situation was emphasised pretty heavily earlier on - in fact twice. One with Fox hinting that Bruce should fix it and one with them discussing how good his flying was without it. Plus, Alfred wouldn't have known about Selina or Bruce's relationship with Selina given he left fairly early on in the film.

(Original post by dgeorge)
Whats the point of spoiler tags then?

I don't have any problem with people dicussing the plot, I'm just saying that there are MANY people who still would be wanting to see the film, or thinking about it, and may be on the thread to see how people rated the film or thought about it.

Again, don't have a problem with people discussing the film, I just think that there should be spoiler tags when discussing the DETAILS of the film

Spoiler tags are a hindrance for the majority who just want a thread to discuss the plot themselves. The film has been out for a few days and this is the main point of discussion. It doesn't entirely make sense to be using tags just to cater towards certain users who may not have seen the film but are still actively browsing the thread to find out about how people 'rated' the film.

As for the point of spoiler tags, they are supposed to be used in a situation where something can be spoiled for a reader who didn't want it to be spoiled. Let's say you're discussing a plot twist in a thread about 'favourite films' or in a general thread (Film Chat thread) about films - it's reasonable to assume there will be people in those threads who haven't yet watched the film and are browsing to talk about other films. On the other hand, if you have a thread dedicated to discussing a film after it's just been released, I think it's naturally assumed there will be spoilers.

[dgeorge]

(Original post by Ape Gone Insane)
Er, thanks? I'm pretty active around these parts though.



I dare say Inception has spoiled you. The auto pilot situation was emphasised pretty heavily earlier on - in fact twice. One with Fox hinting that Bruce should fix it and one with them discussing how good his flying was without it. Plus, Alfred wouldn't have known about Selina or Bruce's relationship with Selina given he left fairly early on in the film.



Spoiler tags are a hindrance for the majority who just want a thread to discuss the plot themselves. The film has been out for a few days and this is the main point of discussion. It doesn't entirely make sense to be using tags just to cater towards certain users who may not have seen the film but are still actively browsing the thread to find out about how people 'rated' the film.

As for the point of spoiler tags, they are supposed to be used in a situation where something can be spoiled for a reader who didn't want it to be spoiled. Let's say you're discussing a plot twist in a thread about 'favourite films' or in a general thread (Film Chat thread) about films - it's reasonable to assume there will be people in those threads who haven't yet watched the film and are browsing to talk about other films. On the other hand, if you have a thread dedicated to discussing a film after it's just been released, I think it's naturally assumed there will be spoilers.

Despite the fact that for the past week, up until about a day or so ago, spoiler tags were REGULARLY USED?

If you go back through the thread, you will see people using the spoiler tags up until the mod I first referred to. If the thread is ONLY for people who have already seen the movie, why were spoiler threads used for about a dozen pages by people who had already seen the movie but didn't want to spoil it for other people?

[gateshipone]

(Original post by Karma Charger)
Just came back from watching it a second time I have a few questions though

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How old is Bane supposed to be? Surely he's older than Batman, as he was at least an old teenager when he protected Talia? At least 20 years have passed since then surely... Why is Bane so much stronger than Batman? There is no venom (steroid, basically), he's older than Batman (?), both of them were trained by the League of Shadows. The first time you could put it down to Batman being rusty, but the second time, before Batman pierced Bane's mask he was getting his ass kicked again...

Bane's been training pretty much his whole life. He was in the pit when it seemed to be much more violent than it was when Bruce got there so he's lived a lot of his life in a place where you have to be strong to survive.

Bruce on the other hand had 8 years off and only did some working out when he was recovering from his back injury. He also had a lot of injuries from his time as Batman 8 years ago.

Basically, Bruce was at his worst in terms of health and Bane was at his peak.

[Jedders]

I thoroughly enjoyed the film, it had some really badass moments. The police chase scene when batman first appears was EPIC. I literally got goosebumps and had a cheeky smile on my face when the badass music started playing

The fight scenes with Bane were emotional man, I seriously felt fear for Batman during those scenes.

Anne Hathaway was just perfect as cat woman. Joseph Gordon Levitt absolutely stole the show, best character in the film by far. Marion Cotillard is just...

However, I really think people are overrating how good the film is. It's such a badass film, but without a doubt it also has a lot of problems.

It's got a lot of bad exposition(Dialogue that is simply there to convey information to the audience), some glaringly obvious plot holes and clunky pacing in the middle section(not that much of an issue for me though).

I also think, while Bane was badass he was also a bit one dimentional...

People are overreacting saying Nolan's batman trilogy is the best trilogy of all time. There is simply no way in hell. The Dark Knight should have been nominated for best picture at the oscars, but I don't Rises is best picture material. It should be nominated sure, but not win it.

It's a great blockbuster film, but it's not the "deep" and meaningful film people are making it out to be.

[Big Ern McCracken]

I saw it yesterday, and honestly I'm still not sure what to think. I know I enjoyed it, but I feel I really need to see it a second time to properly express how I feel about it. I'm still sort of wrapping my head around the sheer scale of it.

8/10. The weakest of the trilogy for me. Batman Begins has the most heart of the three, while TDK is a balls-out masterpiece in my book, the script was a lot tighter than this one. Like I said, I might change my mind on another viewing, usually when you're still thinking about a movie the next day it's a good sign.

[planetconwy1]

(Original post by noor1993)
was i the only one who had difficulty understanding bane at times?

great movie even so

At times Bane's voice was so muffled it was unintelligible. Its a shame too, i thought Tom Hardy was doing a good job with the voice, if only we could understand it slightly better.

I felt TDKR equaled that of Batman Begins. The Dark Knight is still by far the best film and Heath Ledgers performance will always be astonishing in my books.

[Femto]

I have actually noticed something quite interesting - the soundtrack really evolves over the course of the three movies and seems to gradually lose the depth of the string instruments in favour of percussion. It might just be me but just compare both of these two soundtracks:

Batman Begins


The Dark Knight Rises


I know it seems like I am cherry-picking these pieces of music, but the point I'm making is the soundtrack seemed to generally evolve as the films progressed. You'll see what I mean if you watch the trilogy all the way through.

[anradu]

So, TDKR has passed on through its second weekend at the boxoffice. Quite sluggish - and understandable given the circumstances.
It's now passed $300million at the box office, and will probably go on to pass the 600million mark but not much further.
It's a pity as it really should have put The Avengers in it's place (not to say I did not enjoy the Avengers - but DKR owns on thematic experience)

I've just rewatched the final installement of LOTR, and it kick started a debate with a friend:

will the dark knight rises win the best picture?

He disagrees with my very firm, yes. Resounding yes.
I mean yes, unless The Artist comes out a prequel starring Uggie. But nce was enough - thank you. I'm a firm believer Nolan's prize was stolen for Inception - and that the 6000 delegates of the Academy should reward him - as they did with Jackson - for this Dark Knight trilogy.

Be interested to hear all your viewpoints on this. If not, why not?

[James4d]

Great acting, great action scenes.


Unfortunately, it had awful script work. the dialogue often felt false, and used to convey information. The monologues close to the beginning felt too out of place (and neither were particularly good). Also, the sense of time passing was horrifically done. Months passed and the film made it feel like days.

I love Christopher Nolan, and this isn't a bad film... but he can do better.

[justanotherposter]

Am I the only one who found the ending generic and dull? Maybe my expectations were too high because it was Nolan, but I expected more from the ending than the overused hero saves the world by sacrificing his life, but then it is revealed he lived after all, it's basically the same ending as the Avengers but with a grander scale! And then when you find out Bruce is alive I guess your meant to feel happy, but I always find I feel cheated when that happens. Other than that it was a great film, I just wish it had a different conclusion.

[Harry Callahan]

Saw it the other day. Never seen the others, so I can't really compare, but I thought it was a good film.

[rickjames]

An insightful interview for the Zimmer fans: http://www.empireonline.com/intervie...w.asp?IID=1532

[anradu]

(Original post by justanotherposter)
Am I the only one who found the ending generic and dull? Maybe my expectations were too high because it was Nolan, but I expected more from the ending than the overused hero saves the world by sacrificing his life, but then it is revealed he lived after all, it's basically the same ending as the Avengers but with a grander scale! And then when you find out Bruce is alive I guess your meant to feel happy, but I always find I feel cheated when that happens. Other than that it was a great film, I just wish it had a different conclusion.

I'm surprised that you thought as such. But I suppose it is unreasonable to suggest a film can cater to eveyr film goers taste.
For myself, it was a masterpiece. Too many were somewhat dazzed and pondered on whether it was Alfred's dream - but they are living still on from Inceptions's legacy, as there were no such hints.
Some suggested Marion's acting was poor, and to them I say, watch some film classics. It was subdued but for a reason. The pain that was the underlying theme to this finale of the series needed to be turned to peace. A difficult ask of even Nolan and the ensemble. You had three films each portraying an emotion and it all needed an end to tie each aspect together.
Bruce Wayne wanted to leave a legacy. Dying would not have healed any of the pain for the viewer, and for the characters he cared most about. Thus he left very obvious clues to each of his survival.
Overused ending to a superhero movie? Perhaps, but a man believing in a legacy, sees that legacy as more important than one individual could ever be. Thus we always see a director trying to incorporate this "greater than life itself" moments.
The avengers was all out action - not sure you can quite compare the two. Dark Knight rises was real cinema. Cinema that will be everyone's "to see list" in a hundred years of classic films.

Cheated? I felt healed and happy for Bruce for the first time. The clues left by Nolan were there to grab onto and wait. Autopilot and Bruce's strength to come back. Also the Florence flash-back.

Overall a beautiful ending. It didn't leave me clutching for my gut - as the avengers did. But it left me at peace. The legacy lived on.

[Femto]

(Original post by anradu)
It was a masterpiece

I understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but you can't say it was a masterpiece surely? It had its own faults like every other film does.

[Slumpy]

(Original post by Femto)
I understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but you can't say it was a masterpiece surely? It had its own faults like every other film does.

People frequently call the godfather a masterpiece, and I preferred this to that.
(I know I'm not who you quoted, but still!)

[anradu]

(Original post by Femto)
I understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but you can't say it was a masterpiece surely? It had its own faults like every other film does.

I'll steal a quote from Robert Ebert, from his book "What makes a Masterpiece?":

"Most good movies are about the style, tone and vision of their makers. A director will strike a chord in your imagination, and you will be compelled to seek out the other works. Directors become like friends...Sooner or later every lover of film arrives at Ozu, and understands that the movies are not about moving but about whether to move. "

Dark Knight Rises made me consider my own emotional memories. It made me consider my own pain. Within this film were scenes that moved me, and stuck a chord with my imagination. What if we too could abide to a legacy?
Sure their were faults - but without imperfection films are unreal.

[gateshipone]

(Original post by nohomo)
Also the similarity between the names "Bane" and "Wayne" confused lots of people (not me ).

Really? Are those people so unable to engage their brains that they can't even get 2 names straight? Jeez...this is why Twilight exists!

[Darth Vader 7]

(Original post by nohomo)
Bane was creepy and annoying. I thought the joker was a far better villain.

Also the similarity between the names "Bane" and "Wayne" confused lots of people (not me ).

Bane was supposed to be "creepy".

If Bane being "creepy" is an actual negative criticism of yours, in theory, you must've hated the Joker... He's easily one of the most creepiest characters in the modern film industry.