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No, I do agree their games aren't purely physical, just a major part. Apologies for that first post, truce?

I agree, I'd love to see more of this.

I've strung at Wimbledon I can verify Nadal in no way has the lightest racket. Its 320grams strung and he then has it lead taped on both sides and under the grip. Its one of the heaviest rackets, I've seen.

Topspin stat is about physicality but not really a comparison considering the stance he plays at, the extreme western grip, all play more of a factor.

Pretty disappointed, but I think Nadal fans have long accepted we are going to see far more retirements from Nadal then early on in his career.

That's interesting doggyfizzel, I never realised that he even used lead tape on his racket, but that would make sense considering that the rackets pros use are usually very different from the models released to the general public.

Didn't I hear something about him weighting the head of his racket even more recently to try and come up with a way past djoko? Sounds like you should know this kinda thing

lol lol- Murray is such a whiny little prick it's hilarious.He'll never really match Novak/Nadal simply because he doesn't have the mental capacity to do so. People on here have been comparing the physical qualities but the difference between the best is mostly mentalstrength . Novak and Nadal can put everything they have into their game, with Novak able to maintain his level that bit longer.

I've strung at Wimbledon I can verify Nadal in no way has the lightest racket. Its 320grams strung and he then has it lead taped on both sides and under the grip. Its one of the heaviest rackets, I've seen.

Topspin stat is about physicality but not really a comparison considering the stance he plays at, the extreme western grip, all play more of a factor.

Pretty disappointed, but I think Nadal fans have long accepted we are going to see far more retirements from Nadal then early on in his career.

Until recently Djokovic was as legendary for his mental and physical weakness as he is now for his skill and stamina. If anything, he is a prime example of how good Murray could be.

Explain this? Just because Novak wasn't performing up to his potential doesn't mean it's the same case with Murray. Murray doesn't have the right attitude to emulate Novak; he doesn't even show glimpses of the mental strength required imo. I recognised way back Novak would eventually be number 1 or atleast neck and neck with Nadal.

Explain this? Just because Novak wasn't performing up to his potential doesn't mean it's the same case with Murray. Murray doesn't have the right attitude to emulate Novak; he doesn't even show glimpses of the mental strength required imo. I recognised way back Novak would eventually be number 1 or atleast neck and neck with Nadal.

Why is Murray even in this final? Alejandro Falla should have knocked him out in R2. Peak Falla far surpasses peak Lendy. He was clearly not on his game that day. Murray had better pray that he does not meet Donald Young in Monte Carlo.

And undoubtedly in three years time you will be telling someone else how you always knew Murray would make it eventually.

With respect to Murray's mental strength, I would simply like to point out, again, that he appears no weaker emotionally than Djokovic did three years ago. I also am not certain I understand your comment about not even showing glimpses - I assume you missed the Australian Open semifinal?

Check my post history on here, I've rated Novak since Day 1, and hated Murray since Day 1 lol. - I've even put large sums of money on him winning, which I'm sure I mentioned in the betting threads on here atleast once . What I mean by Djokovic having superior mental strength is that he can push himself alot further than Murray, and I believe this is something you're born with.

So if you're born with it, how come Djokovic took until 2011 to show any mental strength? Great logic their mate.

Are you unfamiliar with the word potential? You can have your opinion though mate, just make sure you spell them right. (It's there, not their) Novak showed alot of signs to me in 2009 and even earlier. I recall a clay match in 2009 against Nadal as a standout where he showed great mental toughness, even though he lost fairly comfortably. What makes you think Murray will improve anyway?

Sorry, yeah I was on my Ipod.

Well if you are born with mental strength then it shouldn't be something that takes 5 or 6 years to show it. If you had said someone was born with the talent to become a tennis player/anything else like that then I could understand your point because that is something that takes time to 'hone' for want of a better word.

I'm not saying Andy Murray will improve, but what really annoys me is when people say that Andy Murray isn't good enough to be as good as Djokovic. Because of course he is. They were both pretty much neck and neck throughout their entire careers so obviously he is good enough. Lendl will have an impact on the next few grand slams, and RG and Wimbledon will be a good indicator of how much he has impacted.