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Do Universities make more offers than they have vacancies on the course?

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Original post by Good bloke
It varies. Oxford might be able to get away with over-offering by 5% or 10%, just to cover themselves for the few that die, go elsewhere (they are competing with Harvard, Yale and the Sorbonne, after all) or fail to make the grade, while a typical strong university like Warwick, where many candidates will accept offers elsewhere, might make three offers per place. I guess that the University of the Dartford Tunnel is so strapped for candidates and so near the bottom of the pile that it will need to make an offer to any candidate that looks as if he can find the place, regardless of places available.

It's interesting to trace your increase in cynicism from the answer you gave two and a half years ago! It's been one of those days for me, too!:biggrin:
Reply 21
The higher you go up the league table or whatever measurement of quality, the less 'over-offers' they will probably make if we make a massive generalization.

Mainly because people are less likely to reject an offer from Oxbridge/UCL etc.


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Original post by Good bloke
It varies. Oxford might be able to get away with over-offering by 5% or 10%, just to cover themselves for the few that die, go elsewhere (they are competing with Harvard, Yale and the Sorbonne, after all) or fail to make the grade, while a typical strong university like Warwick, where many candidates will accept offers elsewhere, might make three offers per place. I guess that the University of the Dartford Tunnel is so strapped for candidates and so near the bottom of the pile that it will need to make an offer to any candidate that looks as if he can find the place, regardless of places available.


Okay thank you that was very helpful :smile:
Original post by carriesouthcott
It varies! For my course I'm currently on try gave out 100 offers for 35 places. 37 met the conditions so we have a couple extra than normal.
Don't forget that some of those offers will go to students who have the Uni as their 2nd choice too.
I think there are specific rules regarding students who gain AAB? And the Uni won't get charged for extra students who meet those grades. I may have that wrong though.


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Okay thank you for your help!

I think you got the AAB thing right. I remember reading about it.
ABB was for last years entry. Now they can take as many ABB and higher as they can physically teach.


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Original post by evening sunrise
ABB was for last years entry. Now they can take as many ABB and higher as they can physically teach.


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It's going to be interesting to see how many they take this year. It was my impression that they took on a lot of extra students last year and I wonder if they have staged it or just took on as many as they could and will be unable to do the same next year.
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If a uni receives 200 applications for 40 places, how many offers will they make?
I went to an open day at Imperial and they told me that for my course they receive over 1000 applicants. They give offers to around 500 applicants when there are only 140 places!!! How does that work? I assume that most poeple applying to Imperial are really smart at the same time according to these figures around 360 applicants fail to meet the requirements on results day which I can't comprehend as these are Imperial applicants!!!
Original post by Raymat
I went to an open day at Imperial and they told me that for my course they receive over 1000 applicants. They give offers to around 500 applicants when there are only 140 places!!! How does that work? I assume that most poeple applying to Imperial are really smart at the same time according to these figures around 360 applicants fail to meet the requirements on results day which I can't comprehend as these are Imperial applicants!!!

They are likely to have four other offers as well, so not everyone will take up Imperial's offer.
Original post by Carnationlilyrose
They are likely to have four other offers as well, so not everyone will take up Imperial's offer.

I wrote that on the assumption that Imperial will be the firm choice for most applicants. The only universities that I see students choosing over Imperial are Oxbridge and LSE and I highly doubt all 360 will have offers from Oxbridge and LSE or do they?
Original post by Raymat
I wrote that on the assumption that Imperial will be the firm choice for most applicants. The only universities that I see students choosing over Imperial are Oxbridge and LSE and I highly doubt all 360 will have offers from Oxbridge and LSE or do they?

I have no idea, but it's a fair bet that they will have a clutch of high ranking offers to choose from. What is certain is that Imperial have been in the position of making offers for decades and will have calculated it to a very high level of fine tuning.
Original post by Raymat
I wrote that on the assumption that Imperial will be the firm choice for most applicants. The only universities that I see students choosing over Imperial are Oxbridge and LSE and I highly doubt all 360 will have offers from Oxbridge and LSE or do they?


Why do you make this assumption? How do you think the final destination figures will fall out between people who receive offers from MIT, Harvard, Imperial and Cambridge?

Not everyone is silly enough to pick universities based on reputation.
Original post by Good bloke
Why do you make this assumption? How do you think the final destination figures will fall out between people who receive offers from MIT, Harvard, Imperial and Cambridge?

Not everyone is silly enough to pick universities based on reputation.

I forgot to realise that a lot of offers are given to international students who would have most likely have also applied to Oxbridge, LSE and the American Universities. They would probably choose them over Imperial.
Original post by ar-bath
If a uni receives 200 applications for 40 places, how many offers will they make?


That will vary from uni to uni and course to course. However, they'll normally give out several times as many offers as there are places, so the majority will get an offer.

Original post by Raymat
I wrote that on the assumption that Imperial will be the firm choice for most applicants. The only universities that I see students choosing over Imperial are Oxbridge and LSE and I highly doubt all 360 will have offers from Oxbridge and LSE or do they?


Don't forget to account for the fact that some will miss their offer on results day.

Furthermore, people do choose other unis over Imperial - I've got a friend who got an offer for physics from Imperial (and UCL), but he decided he'd be happier at Manchester.

The chances of someone applying to both LSE and Imperial are low - LSE specialises in social sciences, whereas Imperial specialises in STEM courses. There are very few subjects that they both teach.

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Original post by Origami Bullets
That will vary from uni to uni and course to course. However, they'll normally give out several times as many offers as there are places, so the majority will get an offer.



Don't forget to account for the fact that some will miss their offer on results day.

Furthermore, people do choose other unis over Imperial - I've got a friend who got an offer for physics from Imperial (and UCL), but he decided he'd be happier at Manchester.

The chances of someone applying to both LSE and Imperial are low - LSE specialises in social sciences, whereas Imperial specialises in STEM courses. There are very few subjects that they both teach.

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Apart from from LSE's Business Mathematics and Statistics course and maybe some a few other Mathsy courses, the rest don't have anything in common with Imperial's courses.
Original post by Raymat
I forgot to realise that a lot of offers are given to international students who would have most likely have also applied to Oxbridge, LSE and the American Universities. They would probably choose them over Imperial.


There will also be internationals for whom funding will be the prime consideration. They may apply to a lot of international universities but will end up where the money takes them.
I think that based on previous years data, universities have a pretty good algorithm that tells them how many offers they should send. I believe that the number of places occupied in the end varies very little, like max -/+10 places which barely affects the university.
Original post by Raymat
I wrote that on the assumption that Imperial will be the firm choice for most applicants. The only universities that I see students choosing over Imperial are Oxbridge and LSE and I highly doubt all 360 will have offers from Oxbridge and LSE or do they?


A small percentage of students will have circumstances that mean they change their mind about going to uni, or deffer their place for a year. This could include a family circumstance like bereavement, or illness, or perhaps getting an offer of a really good internship. This could account for about 5% of students, so 25 or so.

Another larger percentage will get offers they prefer from other universities. These may be Oxbridge or LSE, or top American schools, but equally some students may be lured to other universities by promises of generous scholarships, or Scottish students may decide to stay within Scotland to avoid fees. Some students may eventually decide they don't want to live in London as well. Also, if Imperial gives an offer of A*AA and a student decides in March they have no chance of achieving this, they may decide to firm somewhere else. Some may be put off Imperial by things they've heard about the uni, ranging from lack of social life to past allegations of animals being abused during research. All these factors could easily account for another 100-200 students.

Imperial's offers are also very high, so more students a likely to miss them, and Imperial wants to be able to reject students on the basis of their offers, not have to accept some who "only" get, say AAB.

Also, for financial reasons, they'd probably rather end up with 150 students than 130 or even less, so if they have to accept a few extra on results day, for Imperial that's probably preferable to having empty places or having to consider entering clearing.
Reply 38
Yes they do. For Cambridge Maths for instance, usually only half the people with offers get the requirements to get in for the course.


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