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    (Original post by Louis.)
    I'm a bit resistant to a general thread to discuss numerous matches. The Utd game next week is a 3pm along with 4 other matches, I certainly wouldn't want to discuss it along with people talking about the other matches. Fans of Villa/Newcastle probably wouldn't want to discuss their match in a thread dominated almost exclusively by Utd posts, and understandably so. If we don't provide a match thread we should let posters post in their societies.



    Next week the 3pm games are:

    -Villa v Blackburn
    -Everton v Sunderland
    -Newcastle v Bolton
    -Wigan v Man Utd
    -Wolves v Blackpool


    Sunday games:

    -West Ham v Liverpool
    Man City v Fulham


    Monday:

    -Stoke v West Brom




    From that list I think the Utd and Pool games should get individual threads. Villa and Newcastle discussion in their threads. Everton and Blackpool games won't get much/any talk, then the Monday night (I assume on TV) game could be discussed in the main thread. Feel free to disagree, select your own...
    I think you missed the point of what I initially intended. The matchday discussion thread isn't for detailed tactical analysis of teams or for discussing any particular theme at length. It's just an easy way for everyone online at any time to discuss what they are all watching on TV whether it be Soccer Saturday, Football Focus, Jamie's suits or if a live game happens to be on then discussions in real time about what is happening. Something akin to a live chat but without the spam and discussing the topic at hand.

    If the Wigan - United game isn't on TV then it's definitely not worthy of a thread, whilst I'd also disagree that the Liverpool - West Ham would not be either. All of this could be done in a single thread on the day as not so many people would be interested and/or watching. If you wanted to discuss the tactical merits of Rooney up top with Berbatov during the game it would still be done in the Soc in a more specialised environment rather than a general forum.

    This has all gone horribly wrong :emo:
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    I tend to agree with Louis here. If it was run the way you're suggesting Colbert, I just think users would get confused about what to post where. I also think that games such as Utd and Arsenal ones create enough activity to warrant a thread of their own, because if you had them mixed in with the other games in the main thread, the thread would be dominated by said games and impossible to follow for others.

    Louis - I'm not too sure about allowing supporters of teams with a society, that wouldn't get a specific match thread, to post in their societies. Again it'd lead to confusion and really, their activity would probably be required to keep the main thread running. My fear is that not allowing certain teams to post in their own societies, would kill those societies. But, if we were to have it as say, discussion whilst the match was on, in the ultimate match discussion thread, then any post match analysis to take place in their socs, I don't think there'd be too much of an issue.
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    (Original post by doggyfizzel)
    I don't like the idea of a matchday thread, this is usually what we discuss in the soc's, in detail. It just seems a bit chaotic, if it is a high scoring weekend with 4-5 matchs all at the same time, it will just be crazy.

    I think for big games like Arsenal V Barca the hype thread did a good job, it made sure we didn't overrun the arsenal soc, and kept the random posters from outside football from ruining their thread. But that was a very big match.
    If there were a few individual threads for the games which would get most activity, there shouldn't be any chaos caused, really.

    I think the socs are good for line-up, team news, review, maybe some kind of EPL thread for round ups and general outlook, and specific hype threads on request to J.K. such as Arsenal-Tottenham, Man U-Liverpool, big matches which everyone not just specific fan group and even football fans have an intrest in.
    The socs would still be used for line-up speculation, team news and to an extent, reviews, too, though I'd been keen to see some review in the individual thread, if the game had one - allowing supporters of both teams and neutrals, get together and discuss it in one place, rather than switch between the two societies. The threads would mainly be used during the games themselves, though. They'd be a place to get together and discuss the action as it happened, rather than let the societies get clogged up.
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    I am now way too confused by what is being proposed :dunce:
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    Right. After thinking about it a while, I think the main change should be an increase in individual match threads. They provide a better environment for decent discussion, it's a bit less tribal without the point scoring crap that goes on a lot of the time. Use them for almost any Sky game and then games involving a combination of Utd/Arsenal/Chelsea/Liverpool/City/Spurs. They're the type of games that will attract a lot of attention from neutrals as well as supporters and it'd be better to have discussion concentrated in one thread rather than jumping between the two. Link the thread in each of the society and I think people will know where to post.

    Use the general matchday thread, and use it for a general discussion rather than match analysis. Provide links to match threads, talk about any games which don't have socs (like the West Brom Wolves one today), predictions, TV stuff (MOTD, Soccer Saturday etc) etc. I'd think that would be enough activity.

    Clubs that have socs should have the discussion in those socs, unless a specific match thread is created. So Utd Wigan on Saturday will be kept in the Utd soc, Newcastle in their soc etc. The problem is when you have seperate discussions on the same match.

    Think that'd be my preference :holmes:
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    Just read through the replies here, seems like the option that we're tending towards is pretty much keeping it the same, but making individual threads for big games?

    I think that's a pretty good idea (it is quite "natural" as well, because it seems to happen anyway). In any case, I thought that the CL league hype threads were brilliant; there was good discussion and chat without too much irrelevant stuff, it got non-frequent members involved and it was generally good build up.

    I think a few near-future games with hype thread potential would be other CL games, Carling Cup final, big domestic games like United Chelsea, Milan Derby, El Clasico / CDR final.
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    It's taken 4,588 posts but Loulou has finally posted something both legible and sensible :adore:
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    (Original post by Colbert)
    It's taken 4,588 posts but Loulou has finally posted something both legible and sensible :adore:
    You misled JK as to your intentions, and JK misled me

    I was pretty much thinking aloud. :facepalm2: Should probably just delete the first page :rip:
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    Mmkay, I quite like that idea. Just worried it'd be completely over run with utd/arse fans and so wouldn't be that great for fans of less supported teams, which is one of the reasons I supported the general proposals in the first place.

    It'd certainly be easier and quicker to implement that, but I think I'd still rather we had threads for each game for some of the big sides - you'll effectively be getting the same content as the one big thread, but it'll be divided up into threads for the relevant games, as long as the same discussion isn't taking place in 2 threads, I don't see what the problem with that would be? :holmes:
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    (Original post by Louis.)
    You misled JK as to your intentions, and JK misled me

    I was pretty much thinking aloud. :facepalm2: Should probably just delete the first page :rip:
    All I wanted really was a thread to discuss what I was watching on TV. Noone posts in the Villa thread because we aren't raping Arsenal this year and the big Socs are too embarrassing to try and wade into without explicit knowledge of Eboue's personal life or following Wilshere's twitter.

    The individual CL threads went down a storm so I'd also like to see more of them. I've seen the cricket fans in the Sports thread crying out for a more welcoming cricket forum which is all I'd like to see in the football forum. Everyone is so protective of their threads and newcomers are instantly dismissed, whilst the regulars flame each other.
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    (Original post by JK.)
    Mmkay, I quite like that idea. Just worried it'd be completely over run with utd/arse fans and so wouldn't be that great for fans of less supported teams, which is one of the reasons I supported the general proposals in the first place.

    It'd certainly be easier and quicker to implement that, but I think I'd still rather we had threads for each game for some of the big sides - you'll effectively be getting the same content as the one big thread, but it'll be divided up into threads for the relevant games, as long as the same discussion isn't taking place in 2 threads, I don't see what the problem with that would be? :holmes:
    I thought me and Loulou had agreed with your previous post :hmmm:
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    (Original post by JK.)
    Mmkay, I quite like that idea. Just worried it'd be completely over run with utd/arse fans and so wouldn't be that great for fans of less supported teams, which is one of the reasons I supported the general proposals in the first place.

    It'd certainly be easier and quicker to implement that, but I think I'd still rather we had threads for each game for some of the big sides - you'll effectively be getting the same content as the one big thread, but it'll be divided up into threads for the relevant games, as long as the same discussion isn't taking place in 2 threads, I don't see what the problem with that would be? :holmes:
    What, the general gameweek thread? Any discussion on the Utd/Arse game that week would be in either their soc or a created match thread. I see the general thread as performing the function the UTF does atm, just a bit more focussed on that week of PL fixtures.

    Wouldn't be opposed to weekly individual threads for the big teams, i'd guess Utd and Arsenal are the only ones who'll warrant them when their game isn't on TV. See what others think :dontknow:
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    (Original post by Colbert)
    I thought me and Loulou had agreed with your previous post :hmmm:
    I see. I think I'd joined you in the realm of confusion.

    (Original post by Louis.)
    What, the general gameweek thread? Any discussion on the Utd/Arse game that week would be in either their soc or a created match thread. I see the general thread as performing the function the UTF does atm, just a bit more focussed on that week of PL fixtures.

    Wouldn't be opposed to weekly individual threads for the big teams, i'd guess Utd and Arsenal are the only ones who'll warrant them when their game isn't on TV. See what others think :dontknow:
    Nice one, we do all seem to be in agreement then, just a matter of what others think, which, atm, appears to be mostly positive. :yy:
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    There's little need for City to get their own match day threads, given the activity in their soc is non-existent. Liverpool's games could warrant a thread, esp against big teams.


    Also, unsticky the awards thread. :yy:
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    (Original post by Kevmeister)
    There's little need for City to get their own match day threads, given the activity in their soc is non-existent. Liverpool's games could warrant a thread, esp against big teams.


    Also, unsticky the awards thread. :yy:
    Yeh, you're probably right there. :yy:

    I've already unstickied it. :confused:
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    (Original post by JK.)
    Yeh, you're probably right there. :yy:

    I've already unstickied it. :confused:
    Tbh, I hadn't even looked in the forum when I posted, ended up here from the new posts widget.


    As said by others, no need to split the Euro thread.


    Another idea, ultimate matchday thread for competitive international fixtures.
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    Kev talks sense tbh. As does niracv.
    I like the idea of a matchday thread for general discussion of what is happening on tv that day etc. But would it only be for the Premier League or would the foreign games including the elite teams be posted?

    Whilst I have said many times we need more created threads to bring in more posters, especially regular posters I really do think that unless it is a match on tv then it won't be able to generate much 'hype' regardless of the team.
    Most people who aren't supporters of United wouldn't bother streaming the game. And if a foreign game involving one of the big boys was on then the majority would stream that first as United would be on MotD.

    One proposal I would like to see is a thread designed for people writing mini-blogs (or big ones) as well as general and tactical reviews about anything to do with football. From their views on the proposed fair play rules, stadium naming rights to how a single player performed in the first half of a game.
    Such a blog thread could be stickied and really publicised to get people involved.
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    (Original post by Colbert)
    Multicoloured sticky threads tbf :sexface:

    I don't know if we need individual match threads unless they are big league games on TV between two teams who would generate a lot of discussion. If a game isn't on TV I doubt there would be enough people following the game illegally to warrant an entire thread, but the vast majority (all?) games worth discussing are on Sky anyway so this probably wouldn't matter too much. The only games worth a thread of their own would be Sky early kickoffs on a Saturday and Sky games on Sundays, and only then if they include top 5 sides. Games on ESPN can die in a fire, noone watches it.

    I don't think a strict regime of weekly Arsenal and United threads are necessary because if they aren't on TV noone else will be watching, so this discussion may as well be kept in the 'ultimate' weekly discussion thread

    All CL games with English representation probably deserve a dedicated thread as many neutrals follow these, especially on ITV. Plus an entire day (if not more) of buildup would be pretty cool on here.

    Splitting the Euro thread is a decent idea, but the thread is basically:
    • The odd person posting Dortmund scores
    • Charzinho plus a couple others discussing Inter and Napoli and not much else
    • Barca and S-Man discussing DNA

    So each of these items is probably not worth a thread to themselves.

    Ultimate Football Thread still has a place for minor news items and is a one-stop shop for merging terrible threads so no reason for it's demise just yet.
    I agree with all this :yep: and pretty much everything else. I highly doubt a Wigan v Man Utd match would generate that much discussion. I mean there isn't even much discussion during matches like that, a lot of discussion if it's a loss but that's about it. I also don't see the problem with having discussions in a match thread and in the soc.
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    Also, agree on not splitting the Euro thread. It would be entirely pointless.
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    I agree with MM when it comes to posting in various places. I really don't see the problem and I quite enjoy flicking through a few different threads as you get a few different views. From partisan, to neutral to active hate depending on the thread.

    I also don't understand why this needs to be 'ok'd'. This us a forum, threads are made in said forum all the time. As long as it isn't insulting or trolling then I don't see how there can be a problem.

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