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  1. Craiky1506's Avatar
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    Atheist, because the likelihood of a God is absolutely miniscule, amongst numerous other reasons.
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    Atheist. There is no evidence for the existence of a god; it's irrational.
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    i believe in rock and roll. and consequently i am in the church of elvis.

    sometimes though i think to myself, my mind can summon up such beautiful pictures, such beautiful sensations, and i don't believe that atoms bashing about in my brain will account for that. so i think i must have a "ghost within the machine", a soul. one day my soul might unite with the great elvis world soul: and then i'll really be rocking!
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    The natural inclination for religious faith in God is an integral part of the human essence. This is an indisputable fact of history. All scholars of comparative religion, regardless of their own religious backgrounds, agree that religious belief is a natural human condition. They differ, however about its origins.

    Faith without actions arid practice is a dead end. Faith by nature is very sensitive and can be most effective. When it is not out of practice or out of use, it quickly loses its liveliness and motivation power.
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    (Original post by Annora)
    Atheist. There is no evidence for the existence of a god; it's irrational.
    hey you're a physicist and an atheist. check out my elvis argument above. should instantly convert you to the elvis-ology!
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    For an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god
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    The belief that God does not exist
    This is not how most atheists would define their view. I do not believe in God, but this is vastly different that the belief that God does not exist.
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    (Original post by hhakk)
    For an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god
    I do not claim that there is no God, I simply lack belief in God the same way I lack belief in the existence of a tribe on pink unicorns on the other side of the universe.
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    You say in a misleading way that you believe in God; but on inspection, your god turns out to be the god of the atheists. You just like Einstein, who is said by some to have been a believer, but whose god was in fact not God the Creator in whom we all believe. Einstein declared that he believed in “Spinoza’s god,” i.e. in a god that is identical with the universe, and who does not thus interfere from outside in its working. “The man who is thoroughly convinced of the universal operation of the law of causation, “says Einstein, “cannot for a moment entertain the idea of a being who interferes in the course of events.” [Quoted by Hans Kung, Does God Exist? Vantage Books, 1981, p. 629]


    All atheists are in fact polytheists, the exclusion of, the one true God, or who worships such gods, even if he also worships the true God. That perhaps is the reason why the Qur’an never talks about atheists, but only about polytheists.
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    (Original post by markwaza)
    What about fairies? You can't prove they don't exist, but surely it's daft to take an agnostic position regarding fairies.
    That is true... I guess we are brought up with the belief that some things are so preposterous that they cannot possibly be true. Interestingly, for me, God was never one of those things.
    There are many species that have not yet be discovered, so, with regard to fairies,
    you never know...
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    (Original post by Chengis)
    I am a Muslim.
    I take the Qu'ran as the divine word of God and proof of God's existence.
    It serves as a platform for which I am able to morally base my life and has served me well thus far.
    Islam frees me from the confines of a materialistc life and teaches me to be good on all levels of my own life be it charity work or giving my seat to the elderly lady on the bus.
    When I pray I feel at peace no matter what goes on around me.
    The fundamental teachings of the Qu'ran are honourable but they are sadly misinterpreted by extremists either Muslim or non-Muslim.
    In the end I believe that God will be the one to judge how you have lived your life.
    Be an actively good human and you will find peace.
    I feel that it would be difficult for many non-Muslims to convert to Islam due to a difficulty in learning Arabic from scratch, particularly for those who struggle with languages at school.
    I understand that the Qur'an is the exact word of Allah and can never been changed but I sometimes see it as unfair that people who genuinely believe in the message of Islam can be cut off from Allah's message through a simple language barrier.
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    (Original post by Diety)
    I feel that it would be difficult for many non-Muslims to convert to Islam due to a difficulty in learning Arabic from scratch, particularly for those who struggle with languages at school.
    I understand that the Qur'an is the exact word of Allah and can never been changed but I sometimes see it as unfair that people who genuinely believe in the message of Islam can be cut off from Allah's message through a simple language barrier.
    Translations of the Qu'ran do exist.


    Learning basic arabic is not too difficult. I am not an arab yet I can read arabic fluently.
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    I'm Christian because I was born into this religion, however I still deeply believe in it because of the fact that the Bible is about being a good person, rather than uniting the whole world under one religion (get the hint). I also believe that the universe started from the big bang, which God caused. He basically prepared it all, and then let it happen.

    Well that's my view
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    Atheist - i see no reason why a God should have to exist, and can find no unambiguous or concise evidence to support his existence
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    At GCSE level, my school teaches Islamic Studies as half of the whole course.
    Islamic Studies also represents Half of the A-level course.
    As a fascinated student of Islamic Studies at GCSE and A-level and a non-Muslim, I believe that the subject encourages respect for the under-respected Muslim population and allows students to better understand Islamic issues appearing increasingly in the news.
    Thoughts?
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    wait, why is there no logical reason for god? That means there is no logical reason for life... WHY DO WE EXIST THEN?

    edit: second point: If the big bang created us, then where did the fuel for the big bang come from?
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    I think there is a misunderstanding, “Anyway, every child is born with a natural belief in GOD and an inborn inclination to worship Him alone but his parents change that. If the child were left alone, he would worship GOD in his own way, but all children are affected by those things around them, seen or unseen so each child is born in a state of Innate Predisposition (primordial nature, humanity’s archetypal nature) and then his parents make him a Jew, Christian etc
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    (Original post by Chengis)
    Translations of the Qu'ran do exist.


    Learning basic arabic is not too difficult. I am not an arab yet I can read arabic fluently.
    I own a translation of the Qur'an and also know that translations are not as good as the real thing as they are not the exact word of Allah. Also, which branch of Islam are you from?
  19. bobcat7's Avatar
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    atheist.

    reason: lack of real evidence.
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    (Original post by bobcat7)
    atheist.

    reason: lack of real evidence.
    yeah but lack of evidence that he doesn't exist however...
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