[Diety]

(Original post by bobcat7)
atheist.

reason: lack of real evidence.

There is no real evidence that God does not exist either, that is why I am agnostic. I think that no one can have a solid answer to a, frankly, unanswerable question.

P.S: Will anyone who is in this debate please join the theology guild soc, we need people.

[GodspeedGehenna]

I follow all global religions in order to spread my bets.

[Diety]

(Original post by GodspeedGehenna)
I follow all global religions in order to spread my bets.

Good idea actualy

[Indefinite 000]

(Original post by Diety)
There is no real evidence that God does not exist either, that is why I am agnostic. I think that no one can have a solid answer to a, frankly, unanswerable question.

P.S: Will anyone who is in this debate please join the theology guild soc, we need people.

the existence of the universe doesnt make sense without God

[GodspeedGehenna]

(Original post by Indefinite 000)
the existence of the universe doesnt make sense without God

But the existence of a God doesn't make sense. You're just shifting your apparent confusion one step back.

[jmj]

I'm a Christian. I'm a Christian because I trust the Bible to be the divine Word of God and trust in Christ as my Lord and Saviour- that He took the punishment we deserve for sin (rebellion against God) by dying on the cross in our place and on our behalf so that we can have a relationship with God and have eternal life (John 3:16).

[Chengis]

(Original post by Diety)
I own a translation of the Qur'an and also know that translations are not as good as the real thing as they are not the exact word of Allah. Also, which branch of Islam are you from?

That is true which is why the vast majority of Muslims learn to read the Qu'ran in Arabic from a very young age.

Also the Qu'ran is open to interpretation so even if you are an arab reading it you may read a certain line and interpret it differently to another arab. That is why translations are not always indentical to the original.

If you are a convert then surely you have converted for the right reasons and if so you would be dedicated to learning the arab language as fluently as possible. Yusuf Estes (who was previously a Christian priest) one of my favourite speakers is an example of this. He learnt Arabic and pursued Arabic studies.

Here is a nice narration of a story in the Qu'ran by Yusuf Estes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FYNqh6u5y0

So yes if you wish to learn the Qu'ran properly from its original source than the best thing to do would be to learn Arabic.

It really is very easy especially if you have a Muslim friend to help you.
In fact I am not 100% sure but I believe the early followers of Muhammad altered the Arabic language by adding symbols to words to give them a clear sound when pronouncing so as it make it more accesible to non-Arab speakers.



Tbh I interpret Islam my own way so I don't really follow any formal school of thought. However I guess my interpretation would lean more to the Hanafi school of thought than the others.

[manga-freak]

Anti-theist

I believe that god is the human compunction to try to explain what we can't/couldn't explain (thus his role has decreased tremendously over the past century).
Organised religion on the other hand has incited more hatred and death than everything except mosquitoes...

[hhakk]

Christians take their information about Jesus from the Bible, which includes the Old and New Testaments. These contain four biblical narratives covering the life and death of Jesus. They have been written, according to tradition, respectively by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. They are placed at the beginning of the New Testament and comprise close to half of it.

Encyclopedia Britannica notes that "none of the sources of his life and work can be traced to Jesus himself; he did not leave a single known written word. Also, there are no contemporary accounts written of his life and death. What can be established about the historical Jesus depends almost without exception on Christian traditions, especially on the material used in the composition of the Gospels of Mark, Matthew, and Luke, which reflect the outlook of the later church and its faith in Jesus.

Jews ignore the fact that the Oneness of God implies the Oneness of the humankind and distort the idea of the chosen status of the Children of Israel to misappropriate exclusiveness for Divine Grace and to claim racial superiority.

The followers of Jesus split up into two sects immediately after the disappearance of Jesus, and one of them eventually eliminated the other. The sect that prevailed followed St Paul, who ingeniously over-ruled many of the fundamental teachings of Jesus. As a result, we have Christianity which preaches Trinity, Original Sin, and Atonement through the suffering and crucifixion of God’s Only Begotten Son etc.

[Indefinite 000]

(Original post by GodspeedGehenna)
But the existence of a God doesn't make sense. You're just shifting your apparent confusion one step back.

but then according to u the existence of humans doesnt make sense either

[jmj]

(Original post by mevidek)
I'm Christian because I was born into this religion, however I still deeply believe in it because of the fact that the Bible is about being a good person, rather than uniting the whole world under one religion (get the hint). I also believe that the universe started from the big bang, which God caused. He basically prepared it all, and then let it happen.

Well that's my view

Hi

I'm also a Christian and just to say that's not actually what the Bible says- in fact the Bible almost says the exact opposite. The Bible says that none of us are good, we all turn away from God and rebel against Him (Romans 3:11-18) and that all of us deserve punishment (Hebrews 9:27) and the only way to be saved is to trust that Christ died on the cross to take the punishment we deserve for our rebellion (what the Bible calls 'sin') in our place.

Also, interestingly, the Bible teaches that God's plan is for everything to be united under the Lordship of Christ (Ephesians 1:9-10) so yes His plan is to unite everything under Christ- but that of course does not mean we are to be disrespectful of other faith systems

[GodspeedGehenna]

(Original post by Indefinite 000)
but then according to u the existence of humans doesnt make sense either

How so?

[hhakk]

Quran translation

http://quran.al-islam.com/Loader.aspx?pageid=706

[Indefinite 000]

(Original post by GodspeedGehenna)
How so?

okay, take an insect as an example, like a termite, they make mounds despite the fact that they are blind, now tat cant be just by chance can tat

[mevidek]

(Original post by jmj)
Hi

I'm also a Christian and just to say that's not actually what the Bible says- in fact the Bible almost says the exact opposite. The Bible says that none of us are good, we all turn away from God and rebel against Him (Romans 3:11-18) and that all of us deserve punishment (Hebrews 9:27) and the only way to be saved is to trust that Christ died on the cross to take the punishment we deserve for our rebellion (what the Bible calls 'sin') in our place.

Also, interestingly, the Bible teaches that God's plan is for everything to be united under the Lordship of Christ (Ephesians 1:9-10) so yes His plan is to unite everything under Christ- but that of course does not mean we are to be disrespectful of other faith systems

yes but the aim is to help you be a good person

good to meet another fellow Christian!!!

[amime]

(Original post by hhakk)
I think there is a misunderstanding, “Anyway, every child is born with a natural belief in GOD and an inborn inclination to worship Him alone but his parents change that. If the child were left alone, he would worship GOD in his own way, but all children are affected by those things around them, seen or unseen so each child is born in a state of Innate Predisposition (primordial nature, humanity’s archetypal nature) and then his parents make him a Jew, Christian etc

That is simply not true.

Have you ever heard of feral children?

[GodspeedGehenna]

(Original post by Indefinite 000)
okay, take an insect as an example, like a termite, they make mounds despite the fact that they are blind, now tat cant be just by chance can tat

[Indefinite 000]

(Original post by GodspeedGehenna)

i like ur face

[GodspeedGehenna]

(Original post by Indefinite 000)
i like ur face

Were you trying to tell me that God makes anthills because the ants are blind and can't do it themselves?

[Indefinite 000]

(Original post by GodspeedGehenna)
Were you trying to tell me that God makes anthills because the ants are blind and can't do it themselves?

u idiot, i was trying to say tat they can't do it just like tat, they need guidance