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The Israel-Palestine Conflict Mk.III

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    (Original post by MarkAustinPowers)
    lol whatever, when you see fake video clips of bbc apparently showing assad using chemical weapons on his own people their not fake are they lol,
    I have to agree tbh. Im no stranger to criticising Israel or any other country for that matter, but we really do need a source (for any thing like this)

    Though, I guess this is also going to turn in to a "You criticise Israel. You must hate Jews" thread.... (Which is silly, because Im perfectly happy with criticising countries like the KSA, the USA, the UK, Pakistan, North Korea, South Korea,China etc.. etc... because by that logic, I apparently hate pretty much every one
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    (Original post by presidential_)
    Why didn't they broadcast this on the news :confused: ??? Oh yh, forgot......the jews own 96% of the world media.
    Now that is pure racism, almost entirely echoing Nazi stereotypes.
    But then again, that mischevious grin suggests you're not too fussed being compared to Hitler or Goebbels and in fact racism is probably quite amusing to you.
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    (Original post by Law-Hopeful)
    Where has anyone on this thread disputed Israel's right to exist?
    People have put forward the case that Jews have invaded Palestine, thereby implying Palestine having a right to exist and Israel to not.
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    (Original post by DouglasAdams)
    People have put forward the case that Jews have invaded Palestine, thereby implying Palestine having a right to exist and Israel to not.
    Since 1967 27,000 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel. Israel currently has 262 Jewish-only settlements on confiscated Palestinian land.

    I'd say that constitutes invading Palestine. But I wouldn't say that nullifies Israel's right to exist. Israel are the one denying Palestine's right to statehood. Requiring them to stop joining international treaties or else Israel won't continue 'peace negotiations'?

    Funny how Israel are reluctant to criticise Russia for annexing Crimea, don't want to set a precedent for themselves I guess?
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    (Original post by Law-Hopeful)
    Since 1967 27,000 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel. Israel currently has 262 Jewish-only settlements on confiscated Palestinian land.

    I'd say that constitutes invading Palestine. But I wouldn't say that nullifies Israel's right to exist. Israel are the one denying Palestine's right to statehood. Requiring them to stop joining international treaties or else Israel won't continue 'peace negotiations'?

    Funny how Israel are reluctant to criticise Russia for annexing Crimea, don't want to set a precedent for themselves I guess?
    Yes, but a large number of those destroyed homes have been fully compensated.

    You do realise that the Palestinian state is officially predominantly run by Hamas, which is a terrorist group? You really want to legitimise their existence; what happened to the Western policy of "don't negotiate with terrorists"?

    In any case, concerning Putin and Crimea, I can think of many reasons entirely unrelated to Israel why I actually support Russia in their pursuit to prevent a nationalistic coup against a democratically elected leader in Ukraine. And in any case, if Crimea voted to return to Russia, why should they not have a say?
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    (Original post by Electricity)
    Well said.

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    You seem to have ignored each response asking for your source. Is there a particular reason for this?
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    (Original post by Electricity)
    Israeli forces handcuff and blindfold a child for interrogation and arrest. This is not right.

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    There is very little that we can tell from this blurry, extremely low-quality, completely context-free image. It could very well be a fake. On the other hand, it could be real; I have personally seen an Arab child as young as six engage in violence, in this case throwing rocks at moving cars. I think this is more an indictment of the parents than of the soldiers who need to deal with these children. Either way, one very unclear image with no context and of uncertain authenticity is not a particularly good starting point for any discussion.
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    It's funny how Arabs shout "Free Palestine" yet say nothing about the oppression of Kurds in Iraq, Syria, Iran and Turkey. A much more legitimate claim to its land yet it gets less coverage, just goes to show how much Arabs really care.
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    (Original post by presidential_)
    Yes, I actually do know. After the fall of the ottoman empire, parts of their land was given to the british (which included palestine). After WWII the british gave half of palestine to the jews. what right did they have giving away someone's land like that?
    This seems to be one of the most enduring and pernicious misunderstandings of the history of Israel. Palestine, in whole or in part, was not 'given' to anyone by Britain. The United Nations proposed a partition of Palestine into two states, one for its Arab inhabitants, and one for its Jewish ones, but this was never carried out. Instead, the Jews and Arabs of Palestine went to war with each other, with surrounding Arab states subsequently invading with the goal of 'driving the Jews into the sea'. In the section that they managed to secure, the Palestinian Jews established the state of Israel, and became Israelis. The other parts of Palestine were conquered by Egypt and Jordan, who did not establish a new Arab state of Palestine, but rather incorporated these sections into their own states.
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    (Original post by Bashur)
    It's funny how Arabs shout "Free Palestine" yet say nothing about the oppression of Kurds in Iraq, Syria, Iran and Turkey. A much more legitimate claim to its land yet it gets less coverage, just goes to show how much Arabs really care.
    That depends on the Arab in question. Me personally (not an Arab), I'm perfectly happy to criticise any nation state
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    (Original post by de_monies)
    That depends on the Arab in question. Me personally (not an Arab), I'm perfectly happy to criticise any nation state
    Your average Arab is what I'm referring to. The majority know little about Kurdistan, but I guess that's because they are the oppressors in this scenario. Arab governments are hypocrites, most of their people follow the same path.
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