[zohaib93]

Taken from goldstones Washington Post article


'For example, the most serious attack the Goldstone Report focused on was the killing of some 29 members of the al-Simouni family in their home. The shelling of the home was apparently the consequence of an Israeli commander’s erroneous interpretation of a drone image, and an Israeli officer is under investigation for having ordered the attack. While the length of this investigation is frustrating, it appears that an appropriate process is underway, and I am confident that if the officer is found to have been negligent, Israel will respond accordingly.

please note this jew killed 29 people by shelling a house and the terms and excuses used in this article are 'errenuous' and 'neglible', why the petty excuses for the jews? If you really want to paly the game this way, then in my opinion the fogel murders were 'negligent', nothing more nothing less.

[zohaib93]

(Original post by Balagan)
no one knows for sure how many civillians were killed in the war - well over half of those killed were Hamas men. There were civillians who were killed from collateral damage, and there were others who died from the actions of individual soldiers (who were subsequently investigated). It is tragic, but it is not official Israeli policy to harm civillians - that is what Goldstone is now saying and that is why the Israeli government wishes the report to be scrapped.

No one here is trying to deny that many civillians died, neither is anyone trying to rewrite history.

official or inofficial, the point being the jewish regime fully well knows and subtly orders such actions, the usa supplies the weapns to carry such antics out, no sympathy for the jewish state, after the gaza war there is no longer any sympathy for any attacks by hamas upon israel, as israel still hasn't paid for its gaza antics, i am sure hamas will stop once they have has their full revenge, ie 1400 israeli deaths, like for like, equality and all that.

[zohaib93]

(Original post by Balagan)
no one knows for sure how many civillians were killed in the war - well over half of those killed were Hamas men. There were civillians who were killed from collateral damage, and there were others who died from the actions of individual soldiers (who were subsequently investigated). It is tragic, but it is not official Israeli policy to harm civillians - that is what Goldstone is now saying and that is why the Israeli government wishes the report to be scrapped.

No one here is trying to deny that many civillians died, neither is anyone trying to rewrite history.

can you use your pearls of wisdom to tell everyone why israel never got dealt with over the 1982 lebanon massacres during israels antics in lebanon, a war waged by the jews on shoddy proof of lebanon assassinating someone or other? as shoody if not more shoddy the americas claims of iraq WMD, what is it with americans and jews lying in order to wage war and always getting away with? any wonder that the likes of al qaeda, taliban, hamas and hezbullah feel the need to deal with the jewish state and american themselves

have you ever wondered, why they they might be attacking america or the jewish state or whatever, they don't attack you because you are not a muslim or are an 'infidel' but maybe because american and the jewish state feel the need to illegally meddle in the affairs of every other country and get away with it becuase of american vetoes at the UN, what would you do to survive american/jewish nose poking? possibly anything, everything infact.

[buzzicon]

(Original post by zohaib93)
Taken from goldstones Washington Post article


'For example, the most serious attack the Goldstone Report focused on was the killing of some 29 members of the al-Simouni family in their home. The shelling of the home was apparently the consequence of an Israeli commander’s erroneous interpretation of a drone image, and an Israeli officer is under investigation for having ordered the attack. While the length of this investigation is frustrating, it appears that an appropriate process is underway, and I am confident that if the officer is found to have been negligent, Israel will respond accordingly.

please note this jew killed 29 people by shelling a house and the terms and excuses used in this article are 'errenuous' and 'neglible', why the petty excuses for the jews? If you really want to paly the game this way, then in my opinion the fogel murders were 'negligent', nothing more nothing less.

Unfortunately, mistakes occur in all wars.
You may have heard that some "rebels" in Libya were accidentally killed by the planes sent to protect them.
They didn't complain too much because they understood that a mistake had been made and they hadn't been killed on purpose.
Drone images cannot always be perfect and sometimes, unfortunately
and regrettably, errors of interpretation are made.
I suppose you are not going to argue that someone accidentally cut a baby's head off?

[zohaib93]

(Original post by CODKING)
Goldstone has gone back on what he reported and is now welcome in israel. Perfectly normal?

(Original post by buzzicon)
If you actually read the article you've posted a link to, you'll see that it contains this: "Mr Goldstone wrote that the Israeli investigations, which were recognised by a UN committee, indicated that "civilians were not intentionally targeted as a matter of policy". Did you get that: recognised by a UN committe-so it wasn't just Goldstone who recognised that the Israeli investigation showed no intention to target civilians.

I understand that you'd have preferred the article to say what you'd like to think, but it just doesn't.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...ions-editorial

i suggest you read this, goldstone was one of three members of the fact finding mission, the other two still stand by teh FACTS OBTAINED please note it was a fact finding mission, the inquiry was seperate and goldstone was not part of that inquiry, so why golstone (a jew) feels the need to change the facts now is very easy and simple to understand, he wants to visit israel and he cannot do so as a 'self hating jew', care to argue?

[zohaib93]

(Original post by buzzicon)
Unfortunately, mistakes occur in all wars.
You may have heard that some "rebels" in Libya were accidentally killed by the planes sent to protect them.
They didn't complain too much because they understood that a mistake had been made and they hadn't been killed on purpose.
Drone images cannot always be perfect and sometimes, unfortunately
and regrettably, errors of interpretation are made.
I suppose you are not going to argue that someone accidentally cut a baby's head off?

israel says its accidenal, and the world believes its accidental, sorry i am not buying that crap, if israel can attack palestinian citizens using any means the jews wish then hamas has every right to attack israeli citizens using any mean that they wish, its a simple concept, but one which the jews want to alter so they can attack palestinians but not get attacked themselves, Occupation is a form of attack, so until the occuaption by the jews ends, hamas are right, they are doing nothing worse than what the IRA did to deal with the british. all ahmas are doing is seeking revenge for jewish occupation, someting anyone with a bit of self respect and under occupation would do.

[buzzicon]

(Original post by zohaib93)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...ions-editorial

i suggest you read this, goldstone was one of three members of the fact finding mission, the other two still stand by teh FACTS OBTAINED please note it was a fact finding mission, the inquiry was seperate and goldstone was not part of that inquiry, so why golstone (a jew) feels the need to change the facts now is very easy and simple to understand, he wants to visit israel and he cannot do so as a 'self hating jew', care to argue?

From the article you linked to:
"The report did not in fact claim that Israel set out deliberately to murder civilians."
Unlike you, I am unable to go inside someone's mind and to see what their motivations are.

[zohaib93]

(Original post by buzzicon)
Unfortunately, mistakes occur in all wars.
You may have heard that some "rebels" in Libya were accidentally killed by the planes sent to protect them.
They didn't complain too much because they understood that a mistake had been made and they hadn't been killed on purpose.
Drone images cannot always be perfect and sometimes, unfortunately
and regrettably, errors of interpretation are made.
I suppose you are not going to argue that someone accidentally cut a baby's head off?

israelis have no right to live on palestinian lands, so the question of illegal settlers is a different kettle of fish, if jews are on purpose going to build illegal homes, and if illegal jewish settlers are going to live in these illegal homes, then the only people you can blame for their death are the irresponsible silly settlers themselves, stealing palestinian land has its consequences, i don't see palestininias building flats and whatnot in tel aviv or haifa for palestnians to live in, so why should the jews build in the west bank and east jerusalem, its a no no, israel has bought such murders upon itself, so no sympathy from me whatsoever, if you are going t ask for trouble then don't whinge when you get it in abundance

[zohaib93]

(Original post by buzzicon)
From the article you linked to:
"The report did not in fact claim that Israel set out deliberately to murder civilians."
Unlike you, I am unable to go inside someone's mind and to see what their motivations are.

no there were 500 other pages stating israels antics which you ignore, and if you cannot go into peoples minds then it cannot be proven that hamas 'deliberatley set out to murder civilians' either, thats my point mate, so thank you so much, for helping me prove my point, you cannot have one rule for the jews and another for hamas, if israels intentions cannot be proven neither can the intentions of hamas. A clear case of americna-jewish influence DOUBLE STANDARDS...yet again.

american-jewish alliance=root of all evil.

[Stalin]

(Original post by zohaib93)
they say the land was 'promised by God'.

I wonder if I could use the same argument when buying - or in this case taking what is rightfully mine - cigarettes, alcohol, houses etc.

It's absurd to claim that 'god' gave anyone anything, and I'd like to see any Israeli official even attempt to prove it, whether infront of a camera or infront of a judge.

[zohaib93]

(Original post by Stalin)
I wonder if I could use the same argument when buying - or in this case taking what is rightfully mine - cigarettes, alcohol, houses etc.

It's absurd to claim that 'god' gave anyone anything, and I'd like to see any Israeli official even attempt to prove it, whether infront of a camera or infront of a judge.

The judge will probably agree to such claims lol, esp if he is jewihs or american lol

[xavexo]

(Original post by Folderol)
Please use this thread to discuss any issues inherent to the political and military issues of the Arab-Israeli conflict.

You can view the old thread here and here.

The remarkable fact about the Israel-Palestinian conflict, is not so much about the stealing of a land which before 1948 ( Beaufort Treaty where the British and French agreed to give the land colonized by them to the newly formed Israel) was called Palestine, or so it shows in the pre 1948 World Maps, or the fact that since then the British and US special forces have trained and supported the Israeli military so that they can conquer more land from its neighbours and create the status quo on the divide and conquer policies.

Since the times of the Roman Empire, this type of policy have worked well for the colonizing powers however, the most astonishing and un civilized fact is that, Hamas had been democratically elected by the Palestinians but the West ignored it and supported the Israeli massacres in Gaza ( Goldstone 2009 report ) destruction of the Palestinians livelyhood, agriculture, etc so they are back living in the stone age and with the blessing of the Western Community, although I am a European citizen and do not support the killing of civilians or anybody for that matter in the name of religion, politics or others, I must say that this is a real one side stand which contradicts the so called Western societies ¨stand for what we believe¨

[Balagan]

Good article from the guardian, of all places, that counters all the sensationalist rubbish of the last two pages:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...ge-gaza-report

[Balagan]

(Original post by xavexo)
Hamas had been democratically elected by the Palestinians but the West ignored it

You know what other infamous government was 'democratically elected'? Ill give you a hint, it happened in the 1930s

Also last time I checked 'democratically elected' parties dont throw the opposition off rooftops, go figure eh?

Finally, you might be aware that Hamas calls for the murder of all Jews in Israel in its bloody charter, no less. Israel has the full right not to recognise a fascist government that calls for the murder of all its citisens.

[tlee6213]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmerY...layer_embedded

[zohaib93]

(Original post by xavexo)
The remarkable fact about the Israel-Palestinian conflict, is not so much about the stealing of a land which before 1948 ( Beaufort Treaty where the British and French agreed to give the land colonized by them to the newly formed Israel) was called Palestine, or so it shows in the pre 1948 World Maps, or the fact that since then the British and US special forces have trained and supported the Israeli military so that they can conquer more land from its neighbours and create the status quo on the divide and conquer policies.

Since the times of the Roman Empire, this type of policy have worked well for the colonizing powers however, the most astonishing and un civilized fact is that, Hamas had been democratically elected by the Palestinians but the West ignored it and supported the Israeli massacres in Gaza ( Goldstone 2009 report ) destruction of the Palestinians livelyhood, agriculture, etc so they are back living in the stone age and with the blessing of the Western Community, although I am a European citizen and do not support the killing of civilians or anybody for that matter in the name of religion, politics or others, I must say that this is a real one side stand which contradicts the so called Western societies ¨stand for what we believe¨

It was never britains to give away, therefore israel has no legal right to exist

[zohaib93]

(Original post by Balagan)
You know what other infamous government was 'democratically elected'? Ill give you a hint, it happened in the 1930s

Also last time I checked 'democratically elected' parties dont throw the opposition off rooftops, go figure eh?

Finally, you might be aware that Hamas calls for the murder of all Jews in Israel in its bloody charter, no less. Israel has the full right not to recognise a fascist government that calls for the murder of all its citisens.

israel is an illegal state as it was built on land given away by the british, land which they british never had the right to give away as the british never owned it.

its like the french invading into england and giving land away to some other group of people, i highly doubt the english would stand for such nonsense, so why should the palestinians?

[zohaib93]

(Original post by Balagan)
You know what other infamous government was 'democratically elected'? Ill give you a hint, it happened in the 1930s

Also last time I checked 'democratically elected' parties dont throw the opposition off rooftops, go figure eh?

Finally, you might be aware that Hamas calls for the murder of all Jews in Israel in its bloody charter, no less. Israel has the full right not to recognise a fascist government that calls for the murder of all its citisens.

democratically elected governments do not kidnap people in foreign countries on a regular basis, democratically elected governments don't attack aid ships in international waters, democratically elected giovernments don't kill 1400 gazans and claim they were accidental or in error, democratically elected governments don't order masscres in the 1982 lebanon war, democraticlaly elected governments do not build illegal settlemenbts and encourage the illegal residence of illegal settlers on palestinian land, but hey you would not want to talk about that would you?

israels illegal settlements antics began a long time before hamas existed, so israel can only look in the mirror and blame itself.

[Balagan]

Zohaib, you can keep quoting me if you wish but I am not going to waste my time reading whatever bile you spout, nor am I going to respond

[zohaib93]

(Original post by Balagan)
Good article from the guardian, of all places, that counters all the sensationalist rubbish of the last two pages:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...ge-gaza-report

i have already posted that, and goldstone has already said that he will not ask the UN report to be altered, seems to me that he still trully believes what he wrote in that report, and under pressure felt he had to make israel seem all luvvy duvvy in a newspaper as a PR stunt (afterall israel hired PR firms to prop up ie paint a flase picture of israels image), well the jewish state isn't getting away with it that easiliy, so much for it being 'gods promised land', it could not be more dammed.