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(Original post by Neil_K)
NOT TRUE. You don't understand how attraction works.

Women are only the 'choosers' when you are a beta male. Beta males don't have choice with women, and have to therefore 'settle' for those women who choose him.

But when you are an alpha male, you become the rare guy who has power and choice with women.



A beta male tries to impress women, because he is insecure in himself and therefore feels the need to prove himself to women in order to try and win them over. That is a weak mindset.

Alpha males have a different mindset. When I approach a girl, I don't try to impress her. I don't try to 'prove myself' to her. I don't try to 'win her over'. Instead, I am there to see if she's interesting to ME. I already know I'm an awesome guy....so the question then becomes, 'do I find her interesting?' or 'does this girl meet my criteria?'. If I don't find her interesting, I move on to someone else. I am the chooser rather than the choosee.

This is much stronger mindset to have. It gives you power and choice with women.

Alpha bull-****

[Vikki1805]

Ugly lasses.

[Marlo Stanfield]

(Original post by Silver Arrow)
You failed to read the question. Confidence isnt mentioned anywhere because it's relevant. Anybody with the right amount of confidence will get laid.
The question just said ugly girl or ugly guy and it's the girl who will get laid easier because women control sex.

The only guys who have that mentally are dweebs who never did anything about their shockingness around girls and continue to stammer and flush red whenever an attractive girl's in the vicinity.

[Marlo Stanfield]

(Original post by gottspieler)
And few of these women were particularly good looking. I'm not all about looks. They were average looking. I'm also average looking. And I'm not just saying it. If I were ass ugly I wouldn't have had a chance with some of the girls I've been with in the past. A lot of women unjustly feel a sense of superiority when it comes to men. They know they hold the key to happiness and use it to get what they want. What it is they want...hell if I know...some honestly just want to be loved...but too many have gotten laid by good looking guys and therefore think they are too good for guys like me. Ugly to average looking guys, take my advice: wait until these girls are 30 and looking for a husband so they will "settle" for you. It is your best shot.

Such a pathetic attitude to life. You've lived a self-perpetuating downward cycle and you never did anything about it. FFS mate, you should have done things differently.

[gottspieler]

(Original post by Marlo Stanfield)
Such a pathetic attitude to life. You've lived a self-perpetuating downward cycle and you never did anything about it. FFS mate, you should have done things differently.

Well, the good new is I'm not dead yet. Maybe I will change.

[Wilfred Little]

(Original post by gottspieler)
Allow me to share my personal experience. I am an average looking guy who is well built. I am a little chubby but muscular. I am 5'5. I always hung out with the losers in high school and never had a girlfriend. I was shy and rarely talked to girls. I felt ugly and dejected and hopeless. I was severely depressed. I looked around to see all of the average chubby girls that in my mind I should have been with getting banged by mostly decent looking guys or tall but average looking guys. I reached a breaking point at age 19. I went to the local bookstore and started chatting up random women. I was socially awkward and didn't know what to say or do at first and was rejected nearly 30 times (possibly more). Then, one day, I apparently made all the right moves and said the right things at the right time...I talked to a girl who found me interesting. She steered the conversation in a sexual direction and next thing I knew I was at her house getting a handjob. Granted, she was average looking and chubby but it was a start. Later on, I went off to college... I had more confidence but still made novice mistakes when talking with women (allowing them to know I was desperate for sex, being emotionally needy, having awkward moments of silence and a nervous laugh, etc) and almost got laid two or three times but it didn't ultimately happen. I left my first year of college depressed. I worked at a grocery store soon thereafter and was so lonely and desperate that I asked nearly every female employee for her number. I was shot down every time. I met a girl on the internet soon thereafter and had a brief relationship with her before I broke it off (we were just different people and I wasn't attracted to her). Then I went to work at another store. I asked a few women to hangout with me. None of them wanted too. I was single until perhaps four years later. One day I went out to a restaurant across the street from my apartment complex and a young lady seated us. I smiled and said "you've found the perfect place for us" (meaning for myself, my father and his friend) but she probably thought I was referring to her and I. I got her number and we talked for a week. Things went well until we had a misunderstanding over the phone. I sent her a text saying "how's your boyfriend?", meaning to send it to someone else. Perhaps it freaked her out b/c she thought I was referring to myself in the third person, I don't know. Also, earlier that day, I went out to eat with her and a friend and she said I was commenting on her friend's butt b/c I was joking around and said "Well, some people like big butts. It's not a bad thing" when her friend talked about her body. I then got sad and desperate again and started asking a bunch of random women out at school. Never worked. I swear, women can smell desperation. I was single again for a year. Then I met a very cute girl in my Chemistry class. We flirted and talked about sex but again I failed to "seal the deal". An extremely beautiful woman watched a movie with me in my dorm and made out with me soon thereafter but I was a gentleman and didn't push things. She got back with her ex-boyfriend a week later.

In short, unless a woman is extremely, dog-faced, gargoyle, Susan Boyelesque, too disgusting to rape ugly, she can get the dick whenever, wherever, with whomever and however she wants it. An average to ugly short guy like me either has to step up with serious game or accept whatever he can get.

A lot of guys here are bitter and angry. They have a right to be. So was I. But if you, as a man, haven't been out there everyday talking to women and trying to win their hearts you'll never get into their pants. Also, you can't just "talk" to them. You have to have eye contact, you have to smile widely...you have to act like you don't care if you have sex or not. If you are depressed, you won't attract any women unless you look like Brad Pitt or have a donkey dong.

So many lols in that post. I've highlighted all the genuine laugh out loud moments.

[py0alb]

Its exactly the same. The difference is, ugly blokes don't realise they're ugly blokes and just play the numbers game with commendable persistence. As a consequence, their frequent failed attempts to chat up attractive girls is extremely visible to all, whereas ugly women realise they're ugly women and sit at home eating ice cream to avoid the humiliation of being turned down over and over again.

[gottspieler]

(Original post by py0alb)
Its exactly the same. The difference is, ugly blokes don't realise they're ugly blokes and just play the numbers game with commendable persistence. As a consequence, their frequent failed attempts to chat up attractive girls is extremely visible to all, whereas ugly women realise they're ugly women and sit at home eating ice cream to avoid the humiliation of being turned down over and over again.

True if you are talking about genuine ugs. I think for ugs it is the same but average guys have it harder than average girls b/c guys are horny and therefore are likely to lower standards for sex. Average looking girls can be very, very picky in my personal experience.

[py0alb]

(Original post by gottspieler)
True if you are talking about genuine ugs. I think for ugs it is the same but average guys have it harder than average girls b/c guys are horny and therefore are likely to lower standards for sex. Average looking girls can be very, very picky in my personal experience.

Dude. Girls are just far hornier than boys in general once they hit 20. I don't find average girls to be picky at all, most of the time you have to fight the ****ers off with a big stick.

[gottspieler]

(Original post by py0alb)
Dude. Girls are just far hornier than boys in general once they hit 20. I don't find average girls to be picky at all, most of the time you have to fight the ****ers off with a big stick.

Good for you if that's what you've experienced. Perhaps you are a social butterfly. I'm not. I have experienced the occassional whore like anyone else but in general (in my personal experience) this is simply false. Maybe its because I'm 5'5. Girls tend to look through me unless I work hard for attention.

[gottspieler]

Also, you live in the UK. You probably don't have to compete with the wannabee black rappers and arrogant football stars (REAL football, not the girly British sport..lol..jk) who women tend to cling to today.

[gintoki]

(Original post by gottspieler)
Also, you live in the UK. You probably don't have to compete with the wannabee black rappers who women tend to cling to today.

FYI they exist here in the UK especially in London, but we already know why they cling to black rappers anyway

[gottspieler]

(Original post by Marlo Stanfield)
The only guys who have that mentally are dweebs who never did anything about their shockingness around girls and continue to stammer and flush red whenever an attractive girl's in the vicinity.

No. There is only one thing that flushes red when I'm round beautiful women... and it ain't my face . I've approached dozens of women calmly and as smoothly as possible. I commented on their beautiful eyes and figures in a witty manner, I paid attention to them and I exuded confidence. I was still seen as the "nice guy" or "dork" and treated as a backup, despite having a wrestler's build and a love of rock music. I'm not even good enough apparently for the majority of the nerds at my school who are taking Bio and Anthro classes with me...they are just as vain as other girls and the ones who aren't are often married or dating already. Guys who have it easy with girls tend to blame other guys for not being "cool" or having enough confidence around women. HA. Just because it is easy for some doesn't mean that it is easy for all and that most men are single b/c they don't try hard enough.

[gottspieler]

(Original post by gintoki)
FYI they exist here in the UK especially in London, but we already know why they cling to black rappers anyway

Dick or money? I think its a toss up...

Oh well, I can perhaps find a place for myself in the midget fetish pornography world...

[gintoki]

(Original post by gottspieler)
Dick or money? I think its a toss up...

Oh well, I can perhaps find a place for myself in the midget fetish pornography world...

Probably both but I think the first one is a primary requirement for them.

Yeah I know how you feel, I'm 5'8 and still women look at me like I'm some kind of a midget as well. Interesting how there are various and sometimes crazy fetishes but there isn't a fetish for short guys

[NB_ide]

(Original post by Neil_K)
I can't believe everyone here believes it's easier for an ugly girl to get laid than an ugly guy. You've all got it so wrong.

An ugly guy with a boatload of confidence will have no problem at all attracting women. But an ugly girl with confidence will still have problems. This is because men are attracted to women primarily by their looks (at least initially), but for women it is a guy's personality and confidence that is the most important.

This is why you regularly see ugly or average looking men with hot girls...but you rarely see hot men with ugly women.

History is littered with examples of men who were notoriously ugly yet did phenomenally well with women. For example, Voltaire, Jean Paul Satre, Casanova, David X...they were/are notoriously ugly, yet women fell for them because of their personalities and because they knew what women universally responded to. They were not 'celebrities' or anything...so it wasn't their fame women fell for, nor was it their looks!

Women are attracted to men who are ATTRACTIVE, not merely men who are good looking. Being attractive is more than just looks.

Have you ever heard the term 'sexy ugly'? This is a term women use to describe men who are not good looking, but who they are attracted to and who they find sexy. Again, this is a secret women will never reveal, but it is 100% true.

Don't believe what women SAY about this...pay attention only to what they do. There are examples all around us of ugly guys with hot girls.

A confident guy who is average looking or ugly will do better with women than a guy who has male model type looks but lacks confidence.

So really...being physically ugly isn't as big a problem for a guy as it is for a woman. Women have to rely on their looks far more than a guy to attract the attention of the opposite sex.

So the bottom line is: it's easier for ugly men (with confidence) to get laid than ugly women.

this is accurate BUT only a minority of ugly men actually have this charisma. Being ugly can be a non-issue for a man if he has a certain sort of personality. But most don't. Even a lot of handsome men don't. I'm actually quite good looking, or especially when I was a bit younger - but because I'm a total weirdo I never got/get any girls no matter what.

But, as someone mentioned above, literally any woman could go and get laid right now, within the hour. No matter what she looked like. A small minority of ugly men could do the same.

Clearly it is easier for the average ugly woman to get laid than the average ugly man. The only way anyone is answering otherwise is by taking the best, exceptional ugly man and comparing him to the average or sub-average ugly woman.

[py0alb]

(Original post by gottspieler)
Good for you if that's what you've experienced. Perhaps you are a social butterfly. I'm not. I have experienced the occassional whore like anyone else but in general (in my personal experience) this is simply false. Maybe its because I'm 5'5. Girls tend to look through me unless I work hard for attention.

Yeah maybe, buts that not because you're male. Its because you're unattractive for whatever reason. You need to either: a) work on your attractive qualities, or b) set your targets a little lower in terms of the girls you go for.

[gottspieler]

(Original post by py0alb)
Yeah maybe, buts that not because you're male. Its because you're unattractive for whatever reason. You need to either: a) work on your attractive qualities, or b) set your targets a little lower in terms of the girls you go for.

Thanks Mr. Love Doctor.

[gottspieler]

(Original post by py0alb)
Yeah maybe, buts that not because you're male. Its because you're unattractive for whatever reason. You need to either: a) work on your attractive qualities, or b) set your targets a little lower in terms of the girls you go for.

Good advice. But from my personal experience, average looking guys have a harder time getting some for the most part. ALL of the unpopular and or unattractive girls in high school (all the ones who wanted sex at least) got laid. They even talked about it at times. There was an ugly girl at work last year who talked about dick a lot and always hit on the good-looking men. In high school one average looking girl with huge tits (prob the only reason she got any attention) gave a blowjob to a wrestler on the football field after school in front of 5 other students who watched from a distance in the gym. My guy friends, on the other hand, dated infrequently and rarely if ever got laid. It isn't impossible. Just much harder. Trust me...I set my standards fairly low, Sir.

And I have worked on my attractive qualities:

-muscles

-confidence (I approach women with a smile and positive attitude and flirt with them often)

-intelligence

-the "cool factor"...I'm pretty fly for a 220 lb chubby white guy

Maybe I'm just ugly? I don't know. But I doubt that I'm absolutely disgusting. Women smile and talk to me often...they just tend to want to be friends for the most part. Popular/ "hot" guys have a monopoly on women. Haven't you noticed that 10 girls will fight for 1 popular guy at times? Only later, when the girls grow up, do they learn to "lower their standards" and date what should have been their equals in the first place. There are always exceptions though.

[gottspieler]

(Original post by py0alb)
Yeah maybe, buts that not because you're male. Its because you're unattractive for whatever reason. You need to either: a) work on your attractive qualities, or b) set your targets a little lower in terms of the girls you go for.

Quiet child. Everyone is an expert on the internetz. I'll bet your girlfriend is so fat you have to pay rent to live on her. Also, I have a nagging suspicion that you are so ugly that the doctor spanked the wrong end when your mother **** you out of her herpes infested coin slot. Or perhaps I'm mistaken..I apologize, I didn't meant to say that. I meant "syphilis infested coin slot"..that would account for the brain damage...