[Aemiliana]

(Original post by Clip)
Hmm. Depends on the tatooee's life really. I think context of explanation is important. Being too scholarly tends to get peoples' backs up. Something along the lines of this might be better:

"Caesar wasn't really saying 'per angusta ad augusta'. He was saying - 'I turned up here and sorted out the natives.'"

I think people just like how the phrase sounds as much as the meaning. Like I said in that thread, it only sounds nice in parochial Latin.

But doesn't the phrase in actuality sound horrid? Whenever my lecturers say it lacks a certain punch.

[placenta medicae talpae]

(Original post by Aemiliana)
But doesn't the phrase in actuality sound horrid? Whenever my lecturers say it lacks a certain punch.

I see you're careful to distinguish between reality and actuality.
(That's a whoooole other debate, I guess!)
I wonder whether there is often a philosophy component of classics degrees ... or maybe you're just more scrupulous with your use of the English language than most

[Aemiliana]

(Original post by placenta medicae talpae)
I see you're careful to distinguish between reality and actuality.
I wonder whether there is often a philosophy component of classics degrees ... or maybe you're just more scrupulous with your use of the English language than most

There's a difference? I guess I could kind of see how if I weren't running on 4 hours sleep. If I got it right I don't care It was just what sounded best, maybe I'm wrong. I need sleep.

EDIT: Oh my God! I just wrote 'write' instead of 'right' Yes, I am tired. Very bloody tired. But my body refuses sleep.

[placenta medicae talpae]

(Original post by Aemiliana)
There's a difference? I guess I could kind of see how if I weren't running on 4 hours sleep. If I got it right I don't care It was just what sounded best, maybe I'm wrong. I need sleep.

EDIT: Oh my God! I just wrote 'write' instead of 'right' Yes, I am tired. Very bloody tired. But my body refuses sleep.

You did get it right, so well done you!
*pats on back*
*then realises what has done, and crawls back into shell and falls off cliff*
Not that you understand any of the above, because you're too tired anyway.

Here's something which probably won't work, but might be worth a try:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQHuh...eature=related
Ahh, it's so relaxing ...
But I can't bear the computer being left on as I fall asleep, so can't use such things.

[big-bang-theory]

(Original post by Aemiliana)
But doesn't the phrase in actuality sound horrid? Whenever my lecturers say it lacks a certain punch.

Especially once you factor in the fact that the v sound isn't native to latin.

[Aemiliana]

(Original post by placenta medicae talpae)
You did get it right, so well done you!
*pats on back*
*then realises what has done, and crawls back into shell and falls off cliff*
Not that you understand any of the above, because you're too tired anyway.

Here's something which probably won't work, but might be worth a try:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQHuh...eature=related
Ahh, it's so relaxing ...
But I can't bear the computer being left on as I fall asleep, so can't use such things.

Is it the right vs correct rule that I spent many years being lectured about by my grandmother?

My mind's exhausted but my body isn't. Despite a 3k run and a 5k row indoors

[Aemiliana]

(Original post by big-bang-theory)
Especially once you factor in the fact that the v sound isn't native to latin.

Yeah that's mainly what I was thinking of - it loses all its punch without that v

[faber niger]

(Original post by placenta medicae talpae)
I see you're careful to distinguish between reality and actuality.
(That's a whoooole other debate, I guess!)
I wonder whether there is often a philosophy component of classics degrees ... or maybe you're just more scrupulous with your use of the English language than most

How would you distinguish between reality and actuality then? I imagine that it presupposes some form of epistemological idealism.

(Original post by Clip)
"Caesar wasn't really saying 'per angusta ad augusta'. He was saying - 'I turned up here and sorted out the natives.'"

(Original post by Aemiliana)
Yeah that's mainly what I was thinking of - it loses all its punch without that v

Waney, weedy, weaky. Yeah, it sounds rather camp when not pronounced ecclesiastically.

[Aemiliana]

Okay no one in this society speaks English. I think it's time I started trying to sleep.

[Aemiliana]

(Original post by jismith1989)
How would you distinguish between reality and actuality then? I imagine that it presupposes some form of epistemological idealism.



Waney, weedy, weaky. Yeah, it sounds rather camp when not pronounced ecclesiastically.

Stealth multi-quote. Sneaky. And it really does.

[placenta medicae talpae]

(Original post by Aemiliana)
Is it the right vs correct rule that I spent many years being lectured about by my grandmother?

My mind's exhausted but my body isn't. Despite a 3k run and a 5k row indoors

Ahh yes, finally someone else who believes in different types of (being) 'tired'!

I find that if I do things that are energetic (or overly energetic, in the case of running :P) then my body does not want to stop, and if tired I will happily carry on running around, while mentally shutting down and beginning to think in the word 'zzzzzz' only. Probably not the healthiest of practices.

[placenta medicae talpae]

(Original post by jismith1989)
Waney, weedy, weaky. Yeah, it sounds rather camp when not pronounced ecclesiastically.

I <insist> on pronouncing it in that way.
(Though I do make exceptions for choral music, just to 'conform', a principle which I usually despise).

Also, this video might or might not explain the difference, but even if it doesn't it's hilarious!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzhN6SjimJs

[faber niger]

(Original post by placenta medicae talpae)
I <insist> on pronouncing it in that way.
(Though I do make exceptions for choral music, just to 'conform', a principle which I usually despise).

So do I, to be fair. The classical pronunciation is most natural to me, since it's what I learnt the language with.

EDIT: Haha, I think that guy's stoned in the video. I'll be sure to watch his other informative videos on the Illuminati and the New World Order.

[placenta medicae talpae]

(Original post by jismith1989)
So do I, to be fair. The classical pronunciation is most natural to me, since it's what I learnt the language with.

EDIT: Haha, I think that guy's stoned in the video. I'll be sure to watch his other informative videos on the Illuminati and the New World Order.

I agree.
In fact, today when handing out the scores for Rutter's 'Magnificat' (I'm the 'librarian' for 'Chorus'), I had a few strange looks when I referred to it as 'Mangnificat' (as the pronunciation would be spelled in English [is there a name for this, like there is for transliteration?]): I know that we have had that discussion on here before.

Interestingly enough, the phrase 'novus ordo seclorum' can be found on American $1 notes. Alongside the masonic pyramid and eye combination.
Now I don't think that's a mistake.
But I should be extremely suspicious of what this guy has to say on the matter: the vast majority of stuff on the subject is <wrong>: the Devil has many counterfeits.

[faber niger]

(Original post by placenta medicae talpae)
I agree.
In fact, today when handing out the scores for Rutter's 'Magnificat' (I'm the 'librarian' for 'Chorus'), I had a few strange looks when I referred to it as 'Mangnificat' (as the pronunciation would be spelled in English [is there a name for this, like there is for transliteration?]): I know that we have had that discussion on here before.

Interestingly enough, the phrase 'novus ordo seclorum' can be found on American $1 notes. Alongside the masonic pyramid and eye combination.
Now I don't think that's a mistake.
But I should be extremely suspicious of what this guy has to say on the matter: the vast majority of stuff on the subject is <wrong>: the Devil has many counterfeits.

Well, you could say that each representation of a phoneme [sound] is a phonogram, I don't know if there's a better word than that.

Yeah, it comes from Virgil's Eclogues. But it's a Zionist plot!

[placenta medicae talpae]

(Original post by jismith1989)
Yeah, it comes from Virgil's Eclogues. But it's a Zionist plot!

Originally, yes, but clearly it is replicating itself in one form or another in the present age, in 'western' institutions/governments.
Maybe they would also like to be called 'Zionists': I don't know.
In fact, I don't claim to know much about the subject at all - so if you know much (and it sounds like you know at least a bit), then I'd love to listen!
But, whatever the case, what humans say cannot 'prove' anything: for that, we have to appeal to the laws of logic and physics and other things which have been lain down for us by some cause or some thing which causes (either of which I choose to denote 'God'), and so we must prove all things especially in such areas where there is much misinformation around, and the where the absolute truth alone is tolerable.
I've already marked the Eclogues as to be read!

[The Lyceum]

I still stand exactly where I was before on the pronunciation debate. You can pronounce all the V's and hard C's in the ****ing world if you want but if you sound a) anglophonic b) can't and distinguish vowel quantity and c) sound histrionic then what's the point? Yeah I sound a bit Italian with Latin...I also follow accent and vowel markings and do a good job at nasalisations.

I recall having my Greek criticised once on account of my sounding "too much like a modern Greek" yet I read practically by sight improvise poetry, in particular insulting iambics so...

Also read Virgil's 4 ecologue. Do let me know what you think, do you think it's as life changing as everyone says?

[placenta medicae talpae]

(Original post by The Lyceum)
I still stand exactly where I was before on the pronunciation debate. You can pronounce all the V's and hard C's in the ****ing world if you want but if you sound a) anglophonic b) can't and distinguish vowel quantity and c) sound histrionic then what's the point? Yeah I sound a bit Italian with Latin...I also follow accent and vowel markings and do a good job at nasalisations.

I recall having my Greek criticised once on account of my sounding "too much like a modern Greek" yet I read practically by sight improvise poetry, in particular insulting iambics so...

Also read Virgil's 4 ecologue. Do let me know what you think, do you think it's as life changing as everyone says?

I had a conversation with a classics-studying friend of mine the other day about the heating of rooms
The word 'hypocaust' was mentioned, which she pronounces as you would in English, just with 'um' on the end.
And was quite baffled at my 'hyupocowstam', the 'am' being a pathetic attempt at rendering a nasalisation.

Incidentally, for any enthusiasts:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hypoc...35290913169872

[faber niger]

(Original post by The Lyceum)
Also read Virgil's 4 ecologue. Do let me know what you think, do you think it's as life changing as everyone says?

I haven't actually read the Ecologues myself. (Well, I've flicked through, but nothing serious.) I've read the Georgics and the Aeneid, but that's my blind spot.

Apparently, so I remember from QI, the (former) motto of the US (e pluribus unum) came from a poem talking about how to make a certain type of salad written by Virgil, or at least in the Appendix Vergiliana, ("...color est e pluribus unus...").

(Original post by placenta medicae talpae)
Originally, yes, but clearly it is replicating itself in one form or another in the present age, in 'western' institutions/governments.
Maybe they would also like to be called 'Zionists': I don't know.
In fact, I don't claim to know much about the subject at all - so if you know much (and it sounds like you know at least a bit), then I'd love to listen!
But, whatever the case, what humans say cannot 'prove' anything: for that, we have to appeal to the laws of logic and physics and other things which have been lain down for us by some cause or some thing which causes (either of which I choose to denote 'God'), and so we must prove all things especially in such areas where there is much misinformation around, and the where the absolute truth alone is tolerable.
I've already marked the Eclogues as to be read!

I'm lost. Are you talking about conspiracy theories or philosophy? Or both? If the latter, I read Bertrand Russell's History of Western Philosophy a few years ago (which is a good read, although he has quite a grudge against Plato, whom he sees as heralding the poor state of philosophy to come in the "Dark Ages") and have a good general knowledge, but I'm no expert. For anyone interested, here's a good website that contains short, relatively general podcasts interviewing philosophers on their work: http://www.nigelwarburton.typepad.com/philosophy_bites/

EDIT: Also, this looks amazing (even if you're only interested in classical philosophers): http://www.historyofphilosophy.net/

[placenta medicae talpae]

(Original post by jismith1989)
I haven't actually read the Ecologues myself. (Well, I've flicked through, but nothing serious.) I've read the Georgics and the Aeneid, but that's my blind spot.

Apparently, so I remember from QI, the (former) motto of the US (e pluribus unum) came from a poem talking about how to make a certain type of salad written by Virgil, or at least in the Appendix Vergiliana, ("...color est e pluribus unus...").

So if we study Virgil, then maybe we can predict their next move!