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    (Original post by Munchies-YumYum)
    That would make atheism a religion in itself.
    It wouldn't. A god could just decide to reward atheist, alone. Doesn't mean I worship him or anything.
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    In the Egyptian Book of the Dead, there are some 20 stipulations or rules, called the Confession (or Negative Confession), very much like the 10 commandments which the deceased needed to recite and confess whilst waiting judgement in the Halls of Truth. The heart of the deceased was the witness to the things done or said in the duration of that person's life. If the deceased had done good things he or she would gain eternal life, but if the deceased had done bad things he or she would be thrown into Ammit, which is oblivion. Those who did good things and gained eternal life had escaped the second death. The second death is oblivion, Ammit. Each person desired eternal life and hoped to escape Ammit. For that reason the person would do good things in life and be rewarded for it in the next.

    It was Osiris who judged the dead ultimately because he was bound there, and he was Lord of the Two Lands (of Egypt); his only begotten son Horus, the son of the virgin Isis, came to testify to the truth that he was the righteous king to rule Egypt. Anyway, the heart of the deceased was weighed against the lightness of the ostrich feather on the scales of Maat, the goddess who represented justice and righteousness, just like Dike in Greek mythology.

    As for Mithras I am not sure what was promised by him, but I read that those who didn't believe in Mithras would await damnation and torture in the afterlife.
    And are these Gods omniscient and omnipotent? Who believes in God would also believe in it's angels of death etc. those angels might have been called Gods because of their certain powers?
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    (Original post by Annoying-Mouse)
    It wouldn't. A god could just decide to reward atheist, alone. Doesn't mean I worship him or anything.
    Why would God reward you if you don't acknowledge him?
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    (Original post by Munchies-YumYum)
    Why would God reward you if you don't acknowledge him?
    Because he realizes he hasn't provided any evidence and wants to see who isn't going to acknowledge him? Or because he simply wants to, his God after all.
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    (Original post by Munchies-YumYum)
    Why would God reward you if you don't acknowledge him?
    for being a good person?

    if god sends annoying mouse to hell, i'm writing a letter of complaint.

    (this is all assuming annoying mouse isn't a massive rapist who just likes to chill on student forums during the day)
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    then again, i can't see a god who sends people to hell rewarding other people for being good. a god who didn't make a hell might. then again, maybe we have a god who just fcking loves eastenders and needed to created a species to produce it. who knows.
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    (Original post by MissFanatical)
    yes, even if he did exist, it still wouldn't be illogical not to believe in him, provided we had no evidence.

    just like even if eighth dimension predators exist, it is not illogical not be believe in them because so far, we haven't heard a peep out of them
    It is illogical not to believe in those eigth dimension predators but you would have to give me a definition of them, if they have the same attributes as God in order to have the power to create the universe then what you're ultimately doing is renaming God.

    It's not illogical to believe in something which you have no evidence for, the universe was either created by God or not. It's 50/50. If he exists, then he created the universe leading to heaven or hell and if he didn't then something else did but if we die, nothing is going to happen...
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    (Original post by MissFanatical)
    for being a good person?

    if god sends annoying mouse to hell, i'm writing a letter of complaint.

    (this is all assuming annoying mouse isn't a massive rapist who just likes to chill on student forums during the day)
    Haha, why can't you be a good person and acknowledge God? leaving religion aside, only the belief of God...
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    (Original post by Munchies-YumYum)
    Haha, why can't you be a good person and acknowledge God? leaving religion aside, only the belief of God...
    course you can. same as you can be a good person and reject the idea of god.
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    It's OK because heaven is a personal thing. Nobody will be left out because they follow the wrong religion. A bona fide true believer will die wholly expecting to get into heaven, and because cognition stops when you die, the anticipation is as near to heaven as makes no odds.

    There, now everyone's right.
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    (Original post by Munchies-YumYum)
    It is illogical not to believe in those eigth dimension predators but you would have to give me a definition of them, if they have the same attributes as God in order to have the power to create the universe then what you're ultimately doing is renaming God.

    It's not illogical to believe in something which you have no evidence for, the universe was either created by God or not. It's 50/50. If he exists, then he created the universe leading to heaven or hell and if he didn't then something else did but if we die, nothing is going to happen...
    it's illogical not to believe in eighth dimension predators? what? no they don't have the same attributes as god. they're twelve feet tall and look a bit like a hybrid of david cameron and a mosquito.

    it's illogical to believe in them, because we have no evidence for them, even though they might exist. just like it would be logical to assume god didn't exist if we had no evidence, even if he actually did.

    this is all in response to your post on the last page btw.

    also, god's existence isn't 50/50. it's not a case of 'he does or he doesn't'. for example, the chance that my eighth dimension predators existing isn't 50/50, even if there were ancient books on them, and people wanted to believe in them because they cause earthquakes if we don't and if we do they massage us for eternity after we die. and they have really big hands.
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    (Original post by Annoying-Mouse)
    Because he realizes he hasn't provided any evidence and wants to see who isn't going to acknowledge him? Or because he simply wants to, his God after all.
    He is in fact God after all, but that doesn't make him illogical... you're arguing with illogical statements... first atheists believed nothing is going to happen if they die now they believe they might go to heaven... what next?
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    (Original post by MissFanatical)
    it's illogical not to believe in eighth dimension predators? what? no they don't have the same attributes as god. they're twelve feet tall and look a bit like a hybrid of david cameron and a mosquito.

    it's illogical to believe in them, because we have no evidence for them, even though they might exist. just like it would be logical to assume god didn't exist if we had no evidence, even if he actually did.

    this is all in response to your post on the last page btw.

    also, god's existence isn't 50/50. it's not a case of 'he does or he doesn't'. for example, the chance that my eighth dimension predators existing isn't 50/50, even if there were ancient books on them, and people wanted to believe in them because they cause earthquakes if we don't and if we do they massage us for eternity after we die. and they have really big hands.
    Well, do these predators have the power to create a universe such as ours?
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    (Original post by Munchies-YumYum)
    Well, do these predators have the power to create a universe such as ours?
    no but they make mean pancakes
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    (Original post by Munchies-YumYum)
    He is in fact God after all, but that doesn't make him illogical... you're arguing with illogical statements... first atheists believed nothing is going to happen if they die now they believe they might go to heaven... what next?
    No, I am not. Nothing I've said is illogical. No, atheist lack belief in God. Nothing else. Afterlife and all that shiz is up to the individual. An afterlife can exist without God.
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    (Original post by MissFanatical)
    no but they make mean pancakes
    Then it's not neccessary for us to believe in them...
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    (Original post by Annoying-Mouse)
    No, I am not. Nothing I've said is illogical. No, atheist lack belief in God. Nothing else. Afterlife and all that shiz is up to the individual. An afterlife can exist without God.
    Who created that afterlife?
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    (Original post by Munchies-YumYum)
    Who created that afterlife?
    Who created this life?
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    (Original post by Munchies-YumYum)
    Then it's not neccessary for us to believe in them...
    we weren't talking about necessity, we were talking about logic.
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    (Original post by MissFanatical)
    we weren't talking about necessity, we were talking about logic.
    I know, necessity has a coherence with logic and pascal wager argument.

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